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I posted this over at the electro-music.com forum, where it landed with an anechoic thud. I remember there was a thread on this list about machine recommendations, but that was for netbooks. I'm starting to research heavier-duty laptops to use as a home-studio machine (which can also be taken out for gigs). An addendum to the forum post is that I read somewhere that Toshiba laptops score high on reliability. Thanks! James --- Thinking ahead (not making an immediate move)... My trusty MacBook Pro is getting a bit on in years (four years old now) -- no hardware problems to speak of yet, but this is approaching the mean time to fail for laptop hard drives. At the same time, I've been using puredyne Linux on a netbook and enjoying it a lot. (I'd also consider ubuntu studio but don't need the recent flashy gnome stuff - puredyne uses xfce4 which, while antiquated vis-à-vis UI features, is FAST.) So I'm thinking... rather than wait for my MBP to die and then making a rush decision, better to research viable Linux audio machines now. (Also good to get a new machine and have plenty of time to configure it while the Mac is still up and running.) I'm looking for: - a laptop, to take out for live performances; - fast CPU -- I intend this as my main production machine; - it does not have to be especially lightweight -- I have a netbook for traveling; - HD speed is valuable but not critical -- I mostly use supercollider and I'm not playing back multiple sound files at the same time (as is typical in DAWs); - FireWire connector (or card slot for a FW adapter) is a must (my MOTU UltraLite still works perfectly and is old enough to be reportedly supported by FFADO). I'm wondering what machines people recommend for reliability and performance. I heard on the sc-users list that ThinkPads were the most common machine at the last Linux audio conference, but I don't need to follow the crowd if there's something better. --- --
James Harkins /// dewdrop world --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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Ricardo Gabriel Herdt |
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/most-least-reliable-notebooks-laptops,9102.html
2010/7/6 James Harkins <[hidden email]>: > > I posted this over at the electro-music.com forum, where it landed with an > anechoic thud. > > I remember there was a thread on this list about machine recommendations, > but that was for netbooks. I'm starting to research heavier-duty laptops to > use as a home-studio machine (which can also be taken out for gigs). > > An addendum to the forum post is that I read somewhere that Toshiba laptops > score high on reliability. > > Thanks! > James > --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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Hi!
Agreed with Toshibas - this will be probably my buy this autumn (old t30 broke down in july - after 8 years of continuous exploatation, last 4 years it was on for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week). ThinkPads are reliable - T-series would suit your needs. Thinkwiki.org will provide you the information needed when you work with Linux and help you to avoid or solve any problems. Also you can make a comparison between lines and models. ThinkPads are my personal reccomendation, but I'm using very old hardware. I have got in my hands only one Lenovo-branded unit (T60) and it was as solid, as IBMs used to were. IdeaPad (is this how the budget fancy line is called?) is crap just like every other cheap stuff. Dunno how are new ThinkPads manufactured, but definitely stay away from IdeaPads. Other brand worth consideration is Dell - but again, I have not much experience. Asus laptops are looking cheap, but the brand seems to be really concerned of not having too much hardware failures. Again I can provide no details. Laptops in general should not be considered as "power horses". Fast ones are just crazy hot and eat up baterries fast. Sure enough for any gig anyway. Be sure to check the noise level when cable-powered, my small laptop (ThinkPad X31) is little bit noisy when on AC (i mean both internal sound card makes more noise and CPU sometimes emit sounds). Avoid glossy/glaze LCD matrix, take trackpoint rather than touchpad, but that is more than obvious. If you are going to use Linux software on stage, just drop us a line, maybe someone somehow somewhere will show up ;) Cheers, Luke W dniu 2010-07-06 16:38, James Harkins pisze: > > I posted this over at the electro-music.com forum, where it landed with > an anechoic thud. > > I remember there was a thread on this list about machine > recommendations, but that was for netbooks. I'm starting to research > heavier-duty laptops to use as a home-studio machine (which can also be > taken out for gigs). > > An addendum to the forum post is that I read somewhere that Toshiba > laptops score high on reliability. > > Thanks! > James > > --- > Thinking ahead (not making an immediate move)... > > My trusty MacBook Pro is getting a bit on in years (four years old now) > -- no hardware problems to speak of yet, but this is approaching the > mean time to fail for laptop hard drives. At the same time, I've been > using puredyne Linux on a netbook and enjoying it a lot. (I'd also > consider ubuntu studio but don't need the recent flashy gnome stuff - > puredyne uses xfce4 which, while antiquated vis-à-vis UI features, is > FAST.) > > So I'm thinking... rather than wait for my MBP to die and then making a > rush decision, better to research viable Linux audio machines now. (Also > good to get a new machine and have plenty of time to configure it while > the Mac is still up and running.) > > I'm looking for: > > - a laptop, to take out for live performances; > - fast CPU -- I intend this as my main production machine; > - it does not have to be especially lightweight -- I have a netbook for > traveling; > - HD speed is valuable but not critical -- I mostly use supercollider > and I'm not playing back multiple sound files at the same time (as is > typical in DAWs); > - FireWire connector (or card slot for a FW adapter) is a must (my MOTU > UltraLite still works perfectly and is old enough to be reportedly > supported by FFADO). > > I'm wondering what machines people recommend for reliability and > performance. I heard on the sc-users list that ThinkPads were the most > common machine at the last Linux audio conference, but I don't need to > follow the crowd if there's something better. > --- > > -- > > James Harkins /// dewdrop world > [hidden email] > http://www.dewdrop-world.net > > "Come said the Muse, > Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted, > Sing me the universal." -- Whitman > > blog: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words > audio clips: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/audio > more audio: http://soundcloud.com/dewdrop_world/tracks > > > > --- > [hidden email] > http://identi.ca/group/puredyne > irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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Yes, I've heard that Lenovo ThinkPad T and W series (like W510) are
really great machines, but I can't tell the difference between these two series. I'm about to but a new laptop too, I'm thinking about these James, but I wonder if in such a modern computer is still a big difference in speed between Gnome and Xfce? Do you have experience with Fedora/CCRMA? It's been there for a while but I did't try it yet so I can't compare with Puredyne. Maybe it need more time for configuration? I don't know.. --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk |
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I'll add to Lukasz remark here. Five years ago I was gigging with a setup that went into a small bag, based around mini-itx. Had seductive netbooks like the eeepc not come along I might have continued experiments with ever smaller and more powerful CPU boxes and tried to find thinner and lighter 12" or 14" displays. If there is power and a projector that you will use at the venue then laptops don't necessarily represent the best CPU power to size+weight (or cost) ratio. a. On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:33:50 +0200 Lukasz Jastrzebski <[hidden email]> wrote: > Laptops in general should not be considered as "power horses". Fast ones > are just crazy hot and eat up baterries fast. Sure enough for any gig > anyway. -- Andy Farnell <[hidden email]> --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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hello As a promoter of the zerodollarlaptop project, I would suggest that: - you only change your harddisk for a better, faster one, may be a ssd, - install a double or triple or quadruple boot, to have any distro you want. My mac with double boot puredyne and osx is perfectly working. (boot with efi) About the zerodollarlaptopproject: -industry of computers is a disaster, in terms of mining, ressources, politics, ecology, society, human costs -most of our computers have reached a sufficient level of performances. -growth is impossible to sustain if we want to live on this planet. Read the manifesto: http://zerodollarlaptop.org/wiki/doku.php?id=minimanifesto JN > > >My trusty MacBook Pro is getting a bit on in years (four years old now) >-- no hardware problems to speak of yet, but this is approaching the >mean time to fail for laptop hard drives. At the same time, I've been >using puredyne Linux on a netbook and enjoying it a lot. (I'd also >consider ubuntu studio but don't need the recent flashy gnome stuff - >puredyne uses xfce4 which, while antiquated vis-?-vis UI features, is >FAST.) --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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I second that suggestion, I currently still use laptop bought in 2002 (yes
8 year old! ) and still can do a lot of stuff with it... (including youtube browsing, music making, pd patches, etc ... ) for the record, there was some measurement done not long ago showing today's top smartphone are as powerful as the CRAY I from the 80's ... are we sure we always need a supercomputer in our pocket/bag ? Ol. > > > hello > > As a promoter of the zerodollarlaptop project, I would suggest that: > > - you only change your harddisk for a better, faster one, may be a ssd, > > - install a double or triple or quadruple boot, to have any distro > you want. My mac with double boot puredyne and osx is perfectly > working. (boot with efi) > > About the zerodollarlaptopproject: > -industry of computers is a disaster, in terms of mining, ressources, > politics, ecology, society, human costs > -most of our computers have reached a sufficient level of performances. > -growth is impossible to sustain if we want to live on this planet. > > Read the manifesto: > > http://zerodollarlaptop.org/wiki/doku.php?id=minimanifesto > > > JN > > > > >> >> >>My trusty MacBook Pro is getting a bit on in years (four years old now) >>-- no hardware problems to speak of yet, but this is approaching the >>mean time to fail for laptop hard drives. At the same time, I've been >>using puredyne Linux on a netbook and enjoying it a lot. (I'd also >>consider ubuntu studio but don't need the recent flashy gnome stuff - >>puredyne uses xfce4 which, while antiquated vis-?-vis UI features, is >>FAST.) > > --- > [hidden email] > http://identi.ca/group/puredyne > irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne > --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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You might want to take a look at those new lenovo Thinkpads, especially
the X series. I have been using a thinkpad x60s with OpenBSD/PureDyne for a while now, and I'm very happy with it. It is very lightweight, hardware works great with opensource drivers, and it has good baery life. This one is an IBM though, but still it seems to what I heard that thinkpads remain highly reliable. Compared to my MBP (probably the same as you have, revision 1,1), also running OpenBSD/PureDyne, hardware works better and out of the box when it comes to have free software only (even though the mac is now old enough to have okay-working drivers). I think this is an important aspect to take into consideration if you don't want to mess around with -mm patches and so :) -- またな Kereoz On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 10:38:18PM +0800, James Harkins wrote: > > I posted this over at the electro-music.com forum, where it landed with > an anechoic thud. > > I remember there was a thread on this list about machine > recommendations, but that was for netbooks. I'm starting to research > heavier-duty laptops to use as a home-studio machine (which can also be > taken out for gigs). > > An addendum to the forum post is that I read somewhere that Toshiba > laptops score high on reliability. > > Thanks! > James > > --- > Thinking ahead (not making an immediate move)... > > My trusty MacBook Pro is getting a bit on in years (four years old now) > -- no hardware problems to speak of yet, but this is approaching the > mean time to fail for laptop hard drives. At the same time, I've been > using puredyne Linux on a netbook and enjoying it a lot. (I'd also > consider ubuntu studio but don't need the recent flashy gnome stuff - > puredyne uses xfce4 which, while antiquated vis-à-vis UI features, is > FAST.) > > So I'm thinking... rather than wait for my MBP to die and then making a > rush decision, better to research viable Linux audio machines now. (Also > good to get a new machine and have plenty of time to configure it while > the Mac is still up and running.) > > I'm looking for: > > - a laptop, to take out for live performances; > - fast CPU -- I intend this as my main production machine; > - it does not have to be especially lightweight -- I have a netbook for > traveling; > - HD speed is valuable but not critical -- I mostly use supercollider > and I'm not playing back multiple sound files at the same time (as is > typical in DAWs); > - FireWire connector (or card slot for a FW adapter) is a must (my MOTU > UltraLite still works perfectly and is old enough to be reportedly > supported by FFADO). > > I'm wondering what machines people recommend for reliability and > performance. I heard on the sc-users list that ThinkPads were the most > common machine at the last Linux audio conference, but I don't need to > follow the crowd if there's something better. > --- > > -- > > James Harkins /// dewdrop world > [hidden email] > http://www.dewdrop-world.net > > "Come said the Muse, > Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted, > Sing me the universal." -- Whitman > > blog: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words > audio clips: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/audio > more audio: http://soundcloud.com/dewdrop_world/tracks > > --- > [hidden email] > http://identi.ca/group/puredyne > irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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Hi there,
Good discussion and great to see a reference here, regarding the Zero Dollar Laptop project... We have been collaborating with Access Space, on this project in London and are also in the process of getting other projects set in motion regarding ZDL. We have recently finished working with Homeless groups/individuals in London ST Mungos; who were involved taking part with 8-12 week workshops, learning how to smash Windows, and replace recycled/reused laptops with Linux. After the workshops finished they walked away with skils and a free laptop. Here is a link to the project if anyone is interested in knowing more: http://www.furtherfield.org/zerodollarlaptop/ wishing all well. marc http://www.furtherfield.org > I second that suggestion, I currently still use laptop bought in 2002 (yes > 8 year old! ) and still can do a lot of stuff with it... (including > youtube browsing, music making, pd patches, etc ... ) > for the record, there was some measurement done not long ago showing > today's top smartphone are as powerful as the CRAY I from the 80's ... > are we sure we always need a supercomputer in our pocket/bag ? > > Ol. > >> >> hello >> >> As a promoter of the zerodollarlaptop project, I would suggest that: >> >> - you only change your harddisk for a better, faster one, may be a ssd, >> >> - install a double or triple or quadruple boot, to have any distro >> you want. My mac with double boot puredyne and osx is perfectly >> working. (boot with efi) >> >> About the zerodollarlaptopproject: >> -industry of computers is a disaster, in terms of mining, ressources, >> politics, ecology, society, human costs >> -most of our computers have reached a sufficient level of performances. >> -growth is impossible to sustain if we want to live on this planet. >> >> Read the manifesto: >> >> http://zerodollarlaptop.org/wiki/doku.php?id=minimanifesto >> >> >> JN >> >> >> >> >>> >>> My trusty MacBook Pro is getting a bit on in years (four years old now) >>> -- no hardware problems to speak of yet, but this is approaching the >>> mean time to fail for laptop hard drives. At the same time, I've been >>> using puredyne Linux on a netbook and enjoying it a lot. (I'd also >>> consider ubuntu studio but don't need the recent flashy gnome stuff - >>> puredyne uses xfce4 which, while antiquated vis-?-vis UI features, is >>> FAST.) >> --- >> [hidden email] >> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne >> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne >> > > > > --- > [hidden email] > http://identi.ca/group/puredyne > irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne > --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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On 7/7/10 6:46 PM, Jean-Noël Montagné wrote:
> hello > > As a promoter of the zerodollarlaptop project, I would suggest that: > > - you only change your harddisk for a better, faster one, may be a ssd, > > - install a double or triple or quadruple boot, to have any distro you > want. My mac with double boot puredyne and osx is perfectly working. > (boot with efi) Compelling ideas indeed -- if everything is fine about the computer except an aging hard drive (which hasn't crashed yet), I don't have a persuasive reason to junk the whole machine. On that note -- how hard would it be to remap ctrl to the Apple command key, and "enter" to be an alternate option key? The MBP keyboard is complete crap for Emacs, which would be my primary supercollider interface (actually it already is in OSX by way of Aquamacs). Without this remapping, the ergonomics would be disastrous. Lukasz: > Laptops in general should not be considered as "power horses". Fast > ones are just crazy hot and eat up baterries fast. Sure enough for any > gig anyway. I suppose some of that depends on what you use. Supercollider doesn't waste cycles on a flashy GUI and its DSP units are well optimized. It's really rare for me to go above 25% CPU for DSP, even in live real-time work (I write my DSP graphs with efficiency in mind also). So I don't need the kind of power horse you would need for a DAW but I do need something that will let me code in an airport or on the bus if a gig is out of town (which Andy's suggestion wouldn't). My netbook is fine for light sketching but FFT drives it into the ground pretty fast -- so I need more horsepower than that! Bernardo: > I wonder if in such a modern computer is still a big > difference in speed between Gnome and Xfce? Probably not, but I see a lot of clutter in recent Gnome screenshots. I'm finding the simplicity and cleanliness of xfce4 to be very pleasant, even compared to OSX and its boasting about a refined user experience. Thanks for all the ideas! Plenty to consider. James -- James Harkins /// dewdrop world [hidden email] http://www.dewdrop-world.net "Come said the Muse, Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted, Sing me the universal." -- Whitman blog: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words audio clips: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/audio more audio: http://soundcloud.com/dewdrop_world/tracks --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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Ricardo Gabriel Herdt |
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2010/7/7 James Harkins <[hidden email]>:
> > On that note -- how hard would it be to remap ctrl to the Apple command key, > and "enter" to be an alternate option key? The MBP keyboard is complete crap > for Emacs, which would be my primary supercollider interface (actually it > already is in OSX by way of Aquamacs). Without this remapping, the > ergonomics would be disastrous. > on puredyne you can use xmodmap. > Bernardo: > >> I wonder if in such a modern computer is still a big >> difference in speed between Gnome and Xfce? > > Probably not, but I see a lot of clutter in recent Gnome screenshots. I'm > finding the simplicity and cleanliness of xfce4 to be very pleasant, even > compared to OSX and its boasting about a refined user experience. > Xfce and others are a bit more responsive. But Gnome can also be fast, it depends on how your distro set it up by default (on debian, for example, I find it faster than Ubuntu's default install). --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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I second the ZDL initiative a lot ~ for my part I only bought 3 computer in my life (and spent less than 500$ in total, (one 160$ netbook, one mini itx for 140$ and and use mac laptop)) and still use them all for one task or another. Mac laptop for music and dvd playing (but won't play avi :(, netbook as a cary around machine and note taking and remote access my main machine, and the itx as a main project machine and day to day desktop.
(Ok ok I am just 31 years old, but I always end up being able to build computer from spare parts, and used or trashed computer). I am also planning on buying my 4th computer now - and I won't go for mac, or laptop because of the close minded architecture. I will go again with a mini itx board for few reason, one being that I can open the machine and change the parts easily, and it has a lot more possible horse power than a laptop in general and are also quite easy to cary around. I use my mini itx for project and connect to the machine remotely trough my netbook, or trough other device that controle my project (for now sketches in processing controled by devices that send osc (nds))
So my suggestion is use what you have - tweak it for your needs and check the mini itx for their long lived architecture - i.e. you can replace them part by part if needed, instead of the 'replace your computer every 5 years' trends.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Ricardo G. Herdt <[hidden email]> wrote: 2010/7/7 James Harkins <[hidden email]>: --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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On 7/7/10 10:53 PM, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
> 2010/7/7 James Harkins<[hidden email]>: > >> On that note -- how hard would it be to remap ctrl to the Apple command key, >> and "enter" to be an alternate option key? The MBP keyboard is complete crap >> for Emacs, which would be my primary supercollider interface (actually it >> already is in OSX by way of Aquamacs). Without this remapping, the >> ergonomics would be disastrous. >> > on puredyne you can use xmodmap. > I'm a little confused how to do this. I've read the man page but it seems to be missing some basic information, like the keysym names for modifiers commonly found on modern keyboards. Control and Lock are clear enough. What about Alt or Command (in Apple speak -- the Windows start key elsewhere). I'd kind of like to use this on my netbook, where the bottom row looks like this: Ctrl Fn (Win start) Alt <spc> Alt (context menu key) Ctrl And I'd like to make it look like this: (Win start) Fn Alt Ctrl <spc> Ctrl Alt (context menu) Could anyone give some hints? I'm extremely busy with a composition project and don't have a spare hour or two to futz around with it. Thanks! James -- James Harkins /// dewdrop world [hidden email] http://www.dewdrop-world.net "Come said the Muse, Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted, Sing me the universal." -- Whitman blog: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words audio clips: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/audio more audio: http://soundcloud.com/dewdrop_world/tracks --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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Hi James!
'xmodmap -pme' will list the modifier keys and the associated keysym names. With 'xev' you can get more info about each key as you press it, like keycode, keysym etc. Alt is Mod1, you have to check there how the Command key is called. So, here xmodmap tells me: $ xmodmap -pme xmodmap: up to 4 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses): shift Shift_L (0x32), Shift_R (0x3e) lock control Control_L (0x40), Control_R (0x5c), Control_R (0x6c), Control_L (0xcc) mod1 Alt_L (0x25), Alt_L (0x42), Meta_L (0x69), Meta_L (0xcd) mod2 Num_Lock (0x4d) mod3 mod4 Super_L (0x85), Super_R (0x86), Super_L (0xce), Hyper_L (0xcf) mod5 Mode_switch (0xcb) Lets say I want to swap the alt and control keys, but, on my keyboard, I have no Meta_L. So, I'll use alt gr (ISO_Level3_Shift) instead. I put this into my ~/.Xmodmap file: remove control = Control_L Control_R remove mod1 = Alt_L Meta_L remove mod5 = ISO_Level3_Shift keysym Control_L = Alt_L keysym Control_R = Meta_L keysym Alt_L = Control_L keysym ISO_Level3_Shift = Control_R add mod1 = Alt_L Meta_L add control = Control_L Control_R That's it, running xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap should change your layout. Note that .Xmodmap (at least here on debian Squeeze) get's read on startup, if you want to switch to the old layout back, simply rename this file and restart X. Hope that helps, Ricardo --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
> Hi James! > > 'xmodmap -pme' will list the modifier keys and the associated keysym > names. With 'xev' you can get more info about each key as you press > it, like keycode, keysym etc. Alt is Mod1, you have to check there how > the Command key is called. > Cool, thanks. I had an initial crack at it (the netbook example in my email before). remove control = Control_L Control_R remove mod1 = Alt_L Alt_R Meta_L remove mod4 = Super_L keysym Control_L = Super_L keysym Control_R = Menu keysym Super_L = Alt_L keysym Menu = Alt_R keysym Alt_L = Control_L keysym Alt_R = Control_R add mod1 = Alt_L Alt_R Meta_L add control = Control_L Control_R add mod4 = Super_L !! how would I 'add' Menu? I guess Super is a modifier key but Menu isn't... hmm... Is this right? It's quite likely I misunderstood. Thanks again! 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override NO PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x12f (_NET_WM_STATE), time 13742608, state PropertyNewValue PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x191 (_WIN_STATE), time 13742608, state PropertyNewValue PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x193 (_WIN_WORKSPACE), time 13742608, state PropertyNewValue PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x129 (_NET_WM_DESKTOP), time 13742608, state PropertyNewValue ConfigureNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, event 0x2800001, window 0x2800001, (0,0), width 178, height 178, border_width 0, above 0x180002d, override NO ReparentNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, event 0x2800001, window 0x2800001, parent 0x1216a59, (4,22), override NO ConfigureNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, event 0x2800001, window 0x2800001, (4,22), width 178, height 178, border_width 0, above 0x1216a68, override NO ConfigureNotify event, serial 18, synthetic YES, window 0x2800001, event 0x2800001, window 0x2800001, (423,206), width 178, height 178, border_width 0, above 0x1216a59, override NO MapNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, event 0x2800001, window 0x2800001, override NO VisibilityNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, state VisibilityUnobscured Expose event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, (0,0), width 178, height 10, count 3 Expose event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, (0,10), width 10, height 58, count 2 Expose event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, (68,10), width 110, height 58, count 1 Expose event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, (0,68), width 178, height 110, count 0 PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x143 (WM_STATE), time 13742621, state PropertyNewValue PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x17c (_NET_WM_ALLOWED_ACTIONS), time 13742622, state PropertyNewValue PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x12f (_NET_WM_STATE), time 13742622, state PropertyNewValue PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x191 (_WIN_STATE), time 13742622, state PropertyNewValue FocusIn event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, mode NotifyNormal, detail NotifyNonlinear KeymapNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x0, keys: 4294967235 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x126 (_NET_FRAME_EXTENTS), time 13742622, state PropertyNewValue PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x12f (_NET_WM_STATE), time 13742622, state PropertyNewValue PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x191 (_WIN_STATE), time 13742622, state PropertyNewValue PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x12f (_NET_WM_STATE), time 13742627, state PropertyNewValue PropertyNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x191 (_WIN_STATE), time 13742628, state PropertyNewValue PropertyNotify event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, atom 0x17f (_NET_WM_ICON_GEOMETRY), time 13742682, state PropertyNewValue KeyPress event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13748215, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x0, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13748321, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x4, keycode 37 (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyPress event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13749367, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x0, keycode 133 (keysym 0xffeb, Super_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13749482, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x40, keycode 133 (keysym 0xffeb, Super_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyPress event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13750423, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x0, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13750524, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x8, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyPress event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13751449, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x0, keycode 108 (keysym 0xffea, Alt_R), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13751540, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x8, keycode 108 (keysym 0xffea, Alt_R), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyPress event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13752440, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x0, keycode 135 (keysym 0xff67, Menu), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13752531, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x0, keycode 135 (keysym 0xff67, Menu), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyPress event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13753481, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x0, keycode 105 (keysym 0xffe4, Control_R), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13753582, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x4, keycode 105 (keysym 0xffe4, Control_R), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyPress event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0xf9, subw 0x0, time 13757093, (346,6), root:(769,212), state 0x0, keycode 108 (keysym 0xffea, Alt_R), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False FocusOut event, serial 34, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, mode NotifyGrab, detail NotifyAncestor ClientMessage event, serial 34, synthetic YES, window 0x2800001, message_type 0x121 (WM_PROTOCOLS), format 32, message 0x11f (WM_DELETE_WINDOW) xmodmap: up to 4 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses): shift Shift_L (0x32), Shift_R (0x3e) lock Caps_Lock (0x42) control Control_L (0x25), Control_R (0x69) mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_R (0x6c), Meta_L (0xcd) mod2 Num_Lock (0x4d) mod3 mod4 Super_L (0x85), Super_R (0x86), Super_L (0xce), Hyper_L (0xcf) mod5 ISO_Level3_Shift (0x5c), Mode_switch (0xcb) --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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Ricardo Gabriel Herdt |
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2010/7/14 James Harkins <[hidden email]>:
> > !! how would I 'add' Menu? I guess Super is a modifier key but Menu isn't... > hmm... > > Is this right? It's quite likely I misunderstood. > > Thanks again! > James > Try using keycode to modify the Menu key: keycode 135 = Meta_L or keycode 135 = Alt_R Ricardo --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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Ricardo Gabriel Herdt |
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2010/7/14 Ricardo G. Herdt <[hidden email]>:
> 2010/7/14 James Harkins <[hidden email]>: > >> > > Try using keycode to modify the Menu key: > > keycode 135 = Meta_L > or > keycode 135 = Alt_R > Oh, and make sure you're using the default keymap before running xmodmap (for example, name .Xmodmap to something else and restart X. When you get what you want, rename it back to .Xmodmap) --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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Thank you Ricardo for your help with this!
I'm perfectly gobsmacked -- it seems this xmodmap script worked on the first try. (Nothing ever works on the first try!) remove control = Control_L Control_R remove mod1 = Alt_L Alt_R Meta_L keysym Control_L = Super_L keysym Control_R = Menu keysym Super_L = Alt_L !keysym Menu = Alt_R keycode 135 = Alt_R keysym Alt_L = Control_L keysym Alt_R = Control_R add mod1 = Alt_L Alt_R Meta_L add control = Control_L Control_R add mod4 = Super_L You basically wrote the script for me, so thanks again! James -- James Harkins /// dewdrop world [hidden email] http://www.dewdrop-world.net "Come said the Muse, Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted, Sing me the universal." -- Whitman --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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Ricardo Gabriel Herdt |
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Glad to hear it worked. You're welcome!
2010/7/18, James Harkins <[hidden email]>: > Thank you Ricardo for your help with this! > > I'm perfectly gobsmacked -- it seems this xmodmap script worked on the > first try. (Nothing /ever/ works on the first try!) > > remove control = Control_L Control_R > remove mod1 = Alt_L Alt_R Meta_L > keysym Control_L = Super_L > keysym Control_R = Menu > keysym Super_L = Alt_L > !keysym Menu = Alt_R > keycode 135 = Alt_R > keysym Alt_L = Control_L > keysym Alt_R = Control_R > add mod1 = Alt_L Alt_R Meta_L > add control = Control_L Control_R > add mod4 = Super_L > > You basically wrote the script for me, so thanks again! > James > > -- > James Harkins /// dewdrop world > [hidden email] > http://www.dewdrop-world.net > --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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> You might want to take a look at those new lenovo Thinkpads, especially > the X series. > > I have been using a thinkpad x60s with OpenBSD/PureDyne for a while now, and I'm very happy with it. > It is very lightweight, hardware works great with opensource drivers, and it has good baery life. > This one is an IBM though, but still it seems to what I heard that > thinkpads remain highly reliable. > > Compared to my MBP (probably the same as you have, revision 1,1), also > running OpenBSD/PureDyne, hardware works better and out of the box when it comes to have free > software only (even though the mac is now old enough to have > okay-working drivers). I think this is an important aspect to take into > consideration if you don't want to mess around with -mm patches and so i am wondering if anyone has any experience with Asus eee 1201HA http://www.netbookreviews.net/asus/eee-pc-1201ha/ and how this would compare with a Thinkpad x61 in terms of compatibility with PureDyne, but also performance. I also noticed that the Asus eee 1201HA does not have firewire... is there some way to add a firewire port to a machine that does not have pcmcia ? i guess it is impossible After some check in ebay for a second had x61 i noticed that the cost of this would be almost the same as the asus 1201HA in the shop. i guess the worst thing with the x61 is the screen resolution, 1024x768 is starting to get too small... thanks enrike --- [hidden email] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne |
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