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DanS

[puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers

Dear Puredyne community,

As you might have noticed, Puredyne's development has somewhat stalled
with our latest release being Carrot and Coriander. While still
working perfectly on most machines, this release is now pretty old. If
you follow the list and IRC regularly you are aware that we have been
working on a new version, Gazpacho, for a little while now, and got as
far as an alpha release.

This alpha release was our last soup.

Truth is, some annoying bugs have held us back from releasing a new
stable Puredyne, and we have been struggling to find the time,
motivation and energy to get the job done. As a matter of fact this is
has been delayed so much that at this point, even if we would fix
everything *right now*, this release would already be out of sync with
upstream. You can imagine that porting, updating and patching the same
packages over and over again is certainly frustrating.

Next to that, Carrot and Coriander is a great relase and it would be a
pity to hack together a new version just for the sake of bumping the
version number. We would like to leave the community with a decent
soup as our final gift rather than something that could be potentially
substandard (OK you're supposed to serve gazpacho cold, but at the
moment it looks more like a garlicky tomato soup than the famous
Andalusian dish).

Of course, we can talk in details about the technical issues we faced
in the development of Gazpacho, the growing commercialism of Ubuntu
and the general feeling, that grew amongst some of us in the last
years, that we should instead teach people to hack their own artistic
OS and tune it for their practice rather than provide a top-down
designed general purpose multimedia system.

All these are valid points, yet there is something else to it,
something more profound to this decision. Puredyne has been around for
nearly a decade, it's time to let go of the project.
Nothing lasts forever, everybody moves one, interests shift, people
get jobs, get fired, resume their studies, have children (4 babies
were born in the dev group so far and another one is on the way), etc.
Life, really.

Now, before closing the list it might be worth to mention two last things.

First of all, Puredyne was built with a script called broth. It lives
on top of Debian's live tools. With this script it is possible to
build all sorts of Debian or Ubuntu live distros. Every now and then,
some of us have the need, for an installation, a workshop, a birthday
party, to quickly generate an audiovisual oriented live USB/DD/CD/DVD.
Broth is very handy for that, so that's why we will be still using it,
hence possibly developing it further whenever we need it (current
version lives here: https://launchpad.net/broth ).

The second point concerns the community aspect of Puredyne. While
there is no point in keeping this list running, we want to ask you all
if you would be interested to join a new list to keep on
talking/discussing about the practice of free software related art,
music and design (get help on installing and using distros and free
software for artistic practices, but also a place to announce/present
your projects, look for collaborators, etc). No strings attached, just
an idea, but one that may be useful for users/former users of Puredyne
- based around our initial goal to support FLOSS + art practice for
ourselves and others, where we saw a gap that needed filling. Send a
mail off-list to [hidden email]. If we get a few positive
responses we'll make a list and subscribe those who contacted us.

I think that's it for now.

Puredyne was a great project, we learned a lot, we had great fun. We
thank you all for supporting us and having been around all these
years.

:*
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grant centauri

Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers

Hi Dan,

Thanks so much for posting this letter. I've been wanting to respond
myself, but its nice to have something from the whole dev-team.

I'd like to add a bit to this and hope to encourage more discussion.
The community on this list has been one of the best parts of the
internet for me in the past 5 years, I've found a place where
questions could be asked and answered without any of the flames one
might find elsewhere. I've found a few people who are also struggling
with being alone in exploring the FLOSS world, and perhaps alone in
art as well. I've dreamt about organizing some kind of local art show
reflecting the artistic community existing here in this ephemeral
list.

Anyways... I am in total agreement with the decision of the Puredyne
project. The art is really in how we engage with our tools. It is
certainly nice to have a slick, fully functional, all-in-one
audio/visual distro to work with... but it is also similar to the
current paradigm which doesn't encourage the same engagement with
tools that is really at the core of FLOSS philosophy. Its not for
everyone, I myself have found that I've been spending waaaaay more
time investigating and hacking than making art. But in its own way,
what I am doing is art itself.

Puredyne lead me to broth and the realization that anyone could start
hacking together their own personal live system for whatever
particular purpose. This seemed really important to me, much more
important than having an all-in-one OS to take care of all my needs.
Since then, I've developed a minimal Debian system for myself to learn
Lisp (which I hope to pass on to students in the future), and am
currently developing a weird conceptual digital zine which is going to
exist as a Live-OS distributed locally. I've really wanted to move
forward to a broth-based live system specifically focused on learning
Pd, which will attempt to guide new users through the unfamiliar
landscape of linux and so on. I'd be developing it as I teach myself,
and hope to address some of the problems one might run into.

As a community, as individuals, our value comes from what we create,
rather than what we consume. I think the point in the letter about
Ubuntu moving towards a more commercial model means that they are
looking for consumers, rather than creators. The beauty of FLOSS is
the fact that it gives individuals the power and freedom to be
creators and contributors, even if that comes at the cost of
"user-friendliness". As a community at the crossroads of art and
technology, I feel that the people here are in a place where they can
recognize the ways to put the human into the technological. I've
always felt that my purpose on the list was to help be a bridge
between the human creator and the technology they were trying to
master. So, I would love to see a new place for this community to
exist and converse and communicate and connect.

Thanks for all the hard work Puredyne team. It was nice to find a
place that felt like home when I was adrift in the limbo of switching
to FLOSS. Much sincere gratitude.

-grant

On 2/5/12, Dan S <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Dear Puredyne community,
>
> As you might have noticed, Puredyne's development has somewhat stalled
> with our latest release being Carrot and Coriander. While still
> working perfectly on most machines, this release is now pretty old. If
> you follow the list and IRC regularly you are aware that we have been
> working on a new version, Gazpacho, for a little while now, and got as
> far as an alpha release.
>
> This alpha release was our last soup.
>
> Truth is, some annoying bugs have held us back from releasing a new
> stable Puredyne, and we have been struggling to find the time,
> motivation and energy to get the job done. As a matter of fact this is
> has been delayed so much that at this point, even if we would fix
> everything *right now*, this release would already be out of sync with
> upstream. You can imagine that porting, updating and patching the same
> packages over and over again is certainly frustrating.
>
> Next to that, Carrot and Coriander is a great relase and it would be a
> pity to hack together a new version just for the sake of bumping the
> version number. We would like to leave the community with a decent
> soup as our final gift rather than something that could be potentially
> substandard (OK you're supposed to serve gazpacho cold, but at the
> moment it looks more like a garlicky tomato soup than the famous
> Andalusian dish).
>
> Of course, we can talk in details about the technical issues we faced
> in the development of Gazpacho, the growing commercialism of Ubuntu
> and the general feeling, that grew amongst some of us in the last
> years, that we should instead teach people to hack their own artistic
> OS and tune it for their practice rather than provide a top-down
> designed general purpose multimedia system.
>
> All these are valid points, yet there is something else to it,
> something more profound to this decision. Puredyne has been around for
> nearly a decade, it's time to let go of the project.
> Nothing lasts forever, everybody moves one, interests shift, people
> get jobs, get fired, resume their studies, have children (4 babies
> were born in the dev group so far and another one is on the way), etc.
> Life, really.
>
> Now, before closing the list it might be worth to mention two last things.
>
> First of all, Puredyne was built with a script called broth. It lives
> on top of Debian's live tools. With this script it is possible to
> build all sorts of Debian or Ubuntu live distros. Every now and then,
> some of us have the need, for an installation, a workshop, a birthday
> party, to quickly generate an audiovisual oriented live USB/DD/CD/DVD.
> Broth is very handy for that, so that's why we will be still using it,
> hence possibly developing it further whenever we need it (current
> version lives here: https://launchpad.net/broth ).
>
> The second point concerns the community aspect of Puredyne. While
> there is no point in keeping this list running, we want to ask you all
> if you would be interested to join a new list to keep on
> talking/discussing about the practice of free software related art,
> music and design (get help on installing and using distros and free
> software for artistic practices, but also a place to announce/present
> your projects, look for collaborators, etc). No strings attached, just
> an idea, but one that may be useful for users/former users of Puredyne
> - based around our initial goal to support FLOSS + art practice for
> ourselves and others, where we saw a gap that needed filling. Send a
> mail off-list to [hidden email]. If we get a few positive
> responses we'll make a list and subscribe those who contacted us.
>
> I think that's it for now.
>
> Puredyne was a great project, we learned a lot, we had great fun. We
> thank you all for supporting us and having been around all these
> years.
>
> :*
> ---
> [hidden email]
> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
>

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Lorenzo Sutton-2

Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers

In reply to this post by DanS

Dear Dan, Puredyne community,

I have been a pretty quiet reader of this list since a while. I manly
use debian these days. Always loved Puredyne, burning the iso popping it
in any machine and having all the (especially audio- in my case) stuff I
like.
I remember - now a few years ago - getting hold of a Puredyne iso using
my university's connection - hey don't tell enyone ;) - burning it and
thinking "wow multimedia on linux exists. and works" :) Many things
evolved since then...
Recently used it in a workshop about linux + music - (mac) people are
always positively surprised by this polished, full-working system which
'just works' out of a CD.

For what it may be worth, all I can personally add is a big thank you to
all the people who in a way or another contributed to this great FLOSS +
creativity project. And wish tham all the best for their dreams, future,
and art.

Ciao,
Lorenzo.
PS: I would be very interested in the proposed FLOSS + art list.

On 05/02/12 19:59, Dan S wrote:

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Damaru

Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers

Dear Puredyne,

It's interesting to read this email - since I just change my main
computer to Debian over the weekend, and it was still running puredyne.
(my audio computer still running puredyne thought) Looking at the last 4
years I realize how much I learned trough puredyne - and I have to say
that, even though I used linux and ubuntu here and there before, it was
puredyne that really charmed me - and the OS of choice when Apple wasn't
apple anymore (about 3 years ago).

Anyhow, the software was one part, the community was another part,
creativity with computer was what sealed the deal ;)

I would be really interested to be part of the next mail list and see
where that lead us all - of course I would love to see a nice broth on
Debian that include the main tools I use (puredata, fluxus,sc,
processing, arduino, yeah I know java :S ) - some sort of puredyne with
less complex maintenance (so I could be more of help) - bt I realize
that even that is a lot of work!

For the moment, I moved to a clean debian for my main machine, puredyne
for the audio machine and Crunch Bang for my Dj gear (#! is quite a
interesting community base distribution that worth checking out by the
way) But I have been on the lookout for a puredyne type of system, which
doesn't seem to exist :S

Thank you for the community, Thank you Aymeric and the whole Dev team
;) the future seems promising :D

On 06.02.2012 03:31, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

> Dear Dan, Puredyne community,
>
> I have been a pretty quiet reader of this list since a while. I manly
> use debian these days. Always loved Puredyne, burning the iso popping
> it in any machine and having all the (especially audio- in my case)
> stuff I like.
> I remember - now a few years ago - getting hold of a Puredyne iso
> using my university's connection - hey don't tell enyone ;) - burning
> it and thinking "wow multimedia on linux exists. and works" :) Many
> things evolved since then...
> Recently used it in a workshop about linux + music - (mac) people are
> always positively surprised by this polished, full-working system
> which 'just works' out of a CD.
>
> For what it may be worth, all I can personally add is a big thank you
> to all the people who in a way or another contributed to this great
> FLOSS + creativity project. And wish tham all the best for their
> dreams, future, and art.
>
> Ciao,
> Lorenzo.
> PS: I would be very interested in the proposed FLOSS + art list.
>
> On 05/02/12 19:59, Dan S wrote:
>> Dear Puredyne community,
>>
>> As you might have noticed, Puredyne's development has somewhat
>> stalled
>> with our latest release being Carrot and Coriander. While still
>> working perfectly on most machines, this release is now pretty old.
>> If
>> you follow the list and IRC regularly you are aware that we have
>> been
>> working on a new version, Gazpacho, for a little while now, and got
>> as
>> far as an alpha release.
>>
>> This alpha release was our last soup.
>>
>> Truth is, some annoying bugs have held us back from releasing a new
>> stable Puredyne, and we have been struggling to find the time,
>> motivation and energy to get the job done. As a matter of fact this
>> is
>> has been delayed so much that at this point, even if we would fix
>> everything *right now*, this release would already be out of sync
>> with
>> upstream. You can imagine that porting, updating and patching the
>> same
>> packages over and over again is certainly frustrating.
>>
>> Next to that, Carrot and Coriander is a great relase and it would be
>> a
>> pity to hack together a new version just for the sake of bumping the
>> version number. We would like to leave the community with a decent
>> soup as our final gift rather than something that could be
>> potentially
>> substandard (OK you're supposed to serve gazpacho cold, but at the
>> moment it looks more like a garlicky tomato soup than the famous
>> Andalusian dish).
>>
>> Of course, we can talk in details about the technical issues we
>> faced
>> in the development of Gazpacho, the growing commercialism of Ubuntu
>> and the general feeling, that grew amongst some of us in the last
>> years, that we should instead teach people to hack their own
>> artistic
>> OS and tune it for their practice rather than provide a top-down
>> designed general purpose multimedia system.
>>
>> All these are valid points, yet there is something else to it,
>> something more profound to this decision. Puredyne has been around
>> for
>> nearly a decade, it's time to let go of the project.
>> Nothing lasts forever, everybody moves one, interests shift, people
>> get jobs, get fired, resume their studies, have children (4 babies
>> were born in the dev group so far and another one is on the way),
>> etc.
>> Life, really.
>>
>> Now, before closing the list it might be worth to mention two last
>> things.
>>
>> First of all, Puredyne was built with a script called broth. It
>> lives
>> on top of Debian's live tools. With this script it is possible to
>> build all sorts of Debian or Ubuntu live distros. Every now and
>> then,
>> some of us have the need, for an installation, a workshop, a
>> birthday
>> party, to quickly generate an audiovisual oriented live
>> USB/DD/CD/DVD.
>> Broth is very handy for that, so that's why we will be still using
>> it,
>> hence possibly developing it further whenever we need it (current
>> version lives here: https://launchpad.net/broth ).
>>
>> The second point concerns the community aspect of Puredyne. While
>> there is no point in keeping this list running, we want to ask you
>> all
>> if you would be interested to join a new list to keep on
>> talking/discussing about the practice of free software related art,
>> music and design (get help on installing and using distros and free
>> software for artistic practices, but also a place to
>> announce/present
>> your projects, look for collaborators, etc). No strings attached,
>> just
>> an idea, but one that may be useful for users/former users of
>> Puredyne
>> - based around our initial goal to support FLOSS + art practice for
>> ourselves and others, where we saw a gap that needed filling. Send a
>> mail off-list to [hidden email]. If we get a few positive
>> responses we'll make a list and subscribe those who contacted us.
>>
>> I think that's it for now.
>>
>> Puredyne was a great project, we learned a lot, we had great fun. We
>> thank you all for supporting us and having been around all these
>> years.
>>
>> :*
>> ---
>> [hidden email]
>> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
>
> ---
> [hidden email]
> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne

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Olm-e

Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers

In reply to this post by DanS

I would love to be part of that new list too, FLOSS + art is what I do
and is essential discussion nowadays (with war on copyrights + machine
as appliance , etc... )
It's good to see life having an effect on coders (with good things like
babies... I have one too)
And it's interesting to focus on a modular system like broth wich could
open the community to other things.
looking forward to what is coming

wish you the best and thanks you for the puredyne project, which was a
light in the dark .

Olivier
ogeem.be

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> From: Geofroy Tremblay <[hidden email]>
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> Subject: Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers
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> Dear Puredyne,
>
> It's interesting to read this email - since I just change my main
> computer to Debian over the weekend, and it was still running puredyne.
> (my audio computer still running puredyne thought) Looking at the last 4
> years I realize how much I learned trough puredyne - and I have to say
> that, even though I used linux and ubuntu here and there before, it was
> puredyne that really charmed me - and the OS of choice when Apple wasn't
> apple anymore (about 3 years ago).
>
> Anyhow, the software was one part, the community was another part,
> creativity with computer was what sealed the deal ;)
>
> I would be really interested to be part of the next mail list and see
> where that lead us all - of course I would love to see a nice broth on
> Debian that include the main tools I use (puredata, fluxus,sc,
> processing, arduino, yeah I know java :S ) - some sort of puredyne with
> less complex maintenance (so I could be more of help) - bt I realize
> that even that is a lot of work!
>
> For the moment, I moved to a clean debian for my main machine, puredyne
> for the audio machine and Crunch Bang for my Dj gear (#! is quite a
> interesting community base distribution that worth checking out by the
> way) But I have been on the lookout for a puredyne type of system, which
> doesn't seem to exist :S
>
> Thank you for the community, Thank you Aymeric and the whole Dev team
> ;) the future seems promising :D
>
>
> On 06.02.2012 03:31, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>> Dear Dan, Puredyne community,
>>
>> I have been a pretty quiet reader of this list since a while. I manly
>> use debian these days. Always loved Puredyne, burning the iso popping
>> it in any machine and having all the (especially audio- in my case)
>> stuff I like.
>> I remember - now a few years ago - getting hold of a Puredyne iso
>> using my university's connection - hey don't tell enyone ;) - burning
>> it and thinking "wow multimedia on linux exists. and works" :) Many
>> things evolved since then...
>> Recently used it in a workshop about linux + music - (mac) people are
>> always positively surprised by this polished, full-working system
>> which 'just works' out of a CD.
>>
>> For what it may be worth, all I can personally add is a big thank you
>> to all the people who in a way or another contributed to this great
>> FLOSS + creativity project. And wish tham all the best for their
>> dreams, future, and art.
>>
>> Ciao,
>> Lorenzo.
>> PS: I would be very interested in the proposed FLOSS + art list.
>>
>> On 05/02/12 19:59, Dan S wrote:
>>> Dear Puredyne community,
>>>
>>> As you might have noticed, Puredyne's development has somewhat
>>> stalled
>>> with our latest release being Carrot and Coriander. While still
>>> working perfectly on most machines, this release is now pretty old.
>>> If
>>> you follow the list and IRC regularly you are aware that we have
>>> been
>>> working on a new version, Gazpacho, for a little while now, and got
>>> as
>>> far as an alpha release.
>>>
>>> This alpha release was our last soup.
>>>
>>> Truth is, some annoying bugs have held us back from releasing a new
>>> stable Puredyne, and we have been struggling to find the time,
>>> motivation and energy to get the job done. As a matter of fact this
>>> is
>>> has been delayed so much that at this point, even if we would fix
>>> everything *right now*, this release would already be out of sync
>>> with
>>> upstream. You can imagine that porting, updating and patching the
>>> same
>>> packages over and over again is certainly frustrating.
>>>
>>> Next to that, Carrot and Coriander is a great relase and it would be
>>> a
>>> pity to hack together a new version just for the sake of bumping the
>>> version number. We would like to leave the community with a decent
>>> soup as our final gift rather than something that could be
>>> potentially
>>> substandard (OK you're supposed to serve gazpacho cold, but at the
>>> moment it looks more like a garlicky tomato soup than the famous
>>> Andalusian dish).
>>>
>>> Of course, we can talk in details about the technical issues we
>>> faced
>>> in the development of Gazpacho, the growing commercialism of Ubuntu
>>> and the general feeling, that grew amongst some of us in the last
>>> years, that we should instead teach people to hack their own
>>> artistic
>>> OS and tune it for their practice rather than provide a top-down
>>> designed general purpose multimedia system.
>>>
>>> All these are valid points, yet there is something else to it,
>>> something more profound to this decision. Puredyne has been around
>>> for
>>> nearly a decade, it's time to let go of the project.
>>> Nothing lasts forever, everybody moves one, interests shift, people
>>> get jobs, get fired, resume their studies, have children (4 babies
>>> were born in the dev group so far and another one is on the way),
>>> etc.
>>> Life, really.
>>>
>>> Now, before closing the list it might be worth to mention two last
>>> things.
>>>
>>> First of all, Puredyne was built with a script called broth. It
>>> lives
>>> on top of Debian's live tools. With this script it is possible to
>>> build all sorts of Debian or Ubuntu live distros. Every now and
>>> then,
>>> some of us have the need, for an installation, a workshop, a
>>> birthday
>>> party, to quickly generate an audiovisual oriented live
>>> USB/DD/CD/DVD.
>>> Broth is very handy for that, so that's why we will be still using
>>> it,
>>> hence possibly developing it further whenever we need it (current
>>> version lives here: https://launchpad.net/broth ).
>>>
>>> The second point concerns the community aspect of Puredyne. While
>>> there is no point in keeping this list running, we want to ask you
>>> all
>>> if you would be interested to join a new list to keep on
>>> talking/discussing about the practice of free software related art,
>>> music and design (get help on installing and using distros and free
>>> software for artistic practices, but also a place to
>>> announce/present
>>> your projects, look for collaborators, etc). No strings attached,
>>> just
>>> an idea, but one that may be useful for users/former users of
>>> Puredyne
>>> - based around our initial goal to support FLOSS + art practice for
>>> ourselves and others, where we saw a gap that needed filling. Send a
>>> mail off-list to [hidden email]. If we get a few positive
>>> responses we'll make a list and subscribe those who contacted us.
>>>
>>> I think that's it for now.
>>>
>>> Puredyne was a great project, we learned a lot, we had great fun. We
>>> thank you all for supporting us and having been around all these
>>> years.
>>>
>>> :*
>>> ---
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
>>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
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Julian Brooks

Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers

In reply to this post by DanS

HI Dan & all Puredyne/GOTO10 people,

Well bloody hell, it certainly does feel like the end of an era.

I too was hooked, from the moment the skull & crossbones popped out of my knackered old laptop with the old dynebolic build, 'yep - that's the one for me' I thought. It's been great, truly.

Even recently I spent a really frustrating month in a fancy-dan AV suite wrestling with FCP. Aargh, 'twas grim. Ended up making lo-res versions of the various video files and did it at home with Kdenlive. I didn't even know what Kdenlive was (had no use for it previously) but there it was, a right-click and scroll away, just waiting. So in that sense I will miss having some quality tools tucked away in my all-purpose-techno-guerrilla-bag'o'tricks.

Also guess that C&C will be now become a future classic. I'm gonna d/l a fresh copy for safekeeping.

Couple of questions:
When the list goes will the archive still be up somewhere (I would think it will have its uses)?

Who's writing or applying for some cash to do some writing up of the various ins and outs that have happened within Puredyne over the last decade? 'Cos it's a cracking bodice-ripper/whodunnit of a story I bet! No but really.

I've had so much help from so many people over the years (I still think of myself as a newbie in all of the nitty gritty stuff tbh - perhaps that's a healthy approach, there's always someone more knowledgeable than you, except this time they are quite often more than willing to share. What a wonderful attitude.

For all the Pure Data I would like to thank Aymeric, Claude and Chun. Their approach to packaging vanilla plus externals was bang-on. I do think there is less of a gulf these days between Pd and PdE, and a lot of that is because from where I'm sitting PdE has moved over this way in its approach. Maybe that's the way it was heading anyway but Puredyne seemed to be doing it first. The 0xA e.p. was fantastic, FLOSS & Art book too, plus the 'free as in beer' beer. Can't overestimate that it sounded like a laugh as well.

Well done all.

Very best wishes,

Julian

On 5 February 2012 19:59, Dan S <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Puredyne community,

As you might have noticed, Puredyne's development has somewhat stalled
with our latest release being Carrot and Coriander. While still
working perfectly on most machines, this release is now pretty old. If
you follow the list and IRC regularly you are aware that we have been
working on a new version, Gazpacho, for a little while now, and got as
far as an alpha release.

This alpha release was our last soup.

Truth is, some annoying bugs have held us back from releasing a new
stable Puredyne, and we have been struggling to find the time,
motivation and energy to get the job done. As a matter of fact this is
has been delayed so much that at this point, even if we would fix
everything *right now*, this release would already be out of sync with
upstream. You can imagine that porting, updating and patching the same
packages over and over again is certainly frustrating.

Next to that, Carrot and Coriander is a great relase and it would be a
pity to hack together a new version just for the sake of bumping the
version number. We would like to leave the community with a decent
soup as our final gift rather than something that could be potentially
substandard (OK you're supposed to serve gazpacho cold, but at the
moment it looks more like a garlicky tomato soup than the famous
Andalusian dish).

Of course, we can talk in details about the technical issues we faced
in the development of Gazpacho, the growing commercialism of Ubuntu
and the general feeling, that grew amongst some of us in the last
years, that we should instead teach people to hack their own artistic
OS and tune it for their practice rather than provide a top-down
designed general purpose multimedia system.

All these are valid points, yet there is something else to it,
something more profound to this decision. Puredyne has been around for
nearly a decade, it's time to let go of the project.
Nothing lasts forever, everybody moves one, interests shift, people
get jobs, get fired, resume their studies, have children (4 babies
were born in the dev group so far and another one is on the way), etc.
Life, really.

Now, before closing the list it might be worth to mention two last things.

First of all, Puredyne was built with a script called broth. It lives
on top of Debian's live tools. With this script it is possible to
build all sorts of Debian or Ubuntu live distros. Every now and then,
some of us have the need, for an installation, a workshop, a birthday
party, to quickly generate an audiovisual oriented live USB/DD/CD/DVD.
Broth is very handy for that, so that's why we will be still using it,
hence possibly developing it further whenever we need it (current
version lives here: https://launchpad.net/broth ).

The second point concerns the community aspect of Puredyne. While
there is no point in keeping this list running, we want to ask you all
if you would be interested to join a new list to keep on
talking/discussing about the practice of free software related art,
music and design (get help on installing and using distros and free
software for artistic practices, but also a place to announce/present
your projects, look for collaborators, etc). No strings attached, just
an idea, but one that may be useful for users/former users of Puredyne
- based around our initial goal to support FLOSS + art practice for
ourselves and others, where we saw a gap that needed filling. Send a
mail off-list to [hidden email]. If we get a few positive
responses we'll make a list and subscribe those who contacted us.

I think that's it for now.

Puredyne was a great project, we learned a lot, we had great fun. We
thank you all for supporting us and having been around all these
years.

:*
---
[hidden email]
http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne

---
[hidden email]
http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne

Manjunan Gnanaratnam

Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers

In reply to this post by DanS

Dear Puredyne Developers.

Just wanted to say thank you very much for a great great product!
I very much appreciate all your hard work that went into Puredyne over the
years.
On many levels, it assisted many in the pilot group of Open Source Dance
to discover their multidisciplinary identities!!

I am definitely interested in continuing an affiliation through the next
list-serve if one is setup.

Thank you again!

Best

Manju.
_____________________________
Manjunan Gnanaratnam
Founder
Open Source Dance
[http://www.opensourcedance.org]
[http://www.manjunan.com]

On 2/5/12 1:59 PM, "Dan S" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Puredyne community,

As you might have noticed, Puredyne's development has somewhat stalled
with our latest release being Carrot and Coriander. While still
working perfectly on most machines, this release is now pretty old. If
you follow the list and IRC regularly you are aware that we have been
working on a new version, Gazpacho, for a little while now, and got as
far as an alpha release.

This alpha release was our last soup.

Truth is, some annoying bugs have held us back from releasing a new
stable Puredyne, and we have been struggling to find the time,
motivation and energy to get the job done. As a matter of fact this is
has been delayed so much that at this point, even if we would fix
everything *right now*, this release would already be out of sync with
upstream. You can imagine that porting, updating and patching the same
packages over and over again is certainly frustrating.

Next to that, Carrot and Coriander is a great relase and it would be a
pity to hack together a new version just for the sake of bumping the
version number. We would like to leave the community with a decent
soup as our final gift rather than something that could be potentially
substandard (OK you're supposed to serve gazpacho cold, but at the
moment it looks more like a garlicky tomato soup than the famous
Andalusian dish).

Of course, we can talk in details about the technical issues we faced
in the development of Gazpacho, the growing commercialism of Ubuntu
and the general feeling, that grew amongst some of us in the last
years, that we should instead teach people to hack their own artistic
OS and tune it for their practice rather than provide a top-down
designed general purpose multimedia system.

All these are valid points, yet there is something else to it,
something more profound to this decision. Puredyne has been around for
nearly a decade, it's time to let go of the project.
Nothing lasts forever, everybody moves one, interests shift, people
get jobs, get fired, resume their studies, have children (4 babies
were born in the dev group so far and another one is on the way), etc.
Life, really.

Now, before closing the list it might be worth to mention two last things.

First of all, Puredyne was built with a script called broth. It lives
on top of Debian's live tools. With this script it is possible to
build all sorts of Debian or Ubuntu live distros. Every now and then,
some of us have the need, for an installation, a workshop, a birthday
party, to quickly generate an audiovisual oriented live USB/DD/CD/DVD.
Broth is very handy for that, so that's why we will be still using it,
hence possibly developing it further whenever we need it (current
version lives here: https://launchpad.net/broth ).

The second point concerns the community aspect of Puredyne. While
there is no point in keeping this list running, we want to ask you all
if you would be interested to join a new list to keep on
talking/discussing about the practice of free software related art,
music and design (get help on installing and using distros and free
software for artistic practices, but also a place to announce/present
your projects, look for collaborators, etc). No strings attached, just
an idea, but one that may be useful for users/former users of Puredyne
- based around our initial goal to support FLOSS + art practice for
ourselves and others, where we saw a gap that needed filling. Send a
mail off-list to [hidden email]. If we get a few positive
responses we'll make a list and subscribe those who contacted us.

I think that's it for now.

Puredyne was a great project, we learned a lot, we had great fun. We
thank you all for supporting us and having been around all these
years.

:*
---
[hidden email]
http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne

---
[hidden email]
http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne

gusano

Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers

In reply to this post by DanS

dear pure:dyne devs,

just wanted to send a big *THANK YOU* to all of you, your work and
support was very much appreciated here.
you guys (and girls?) made me 100% switch to linux and it would not have
been that easy to learn all this with any other distro.

my 1st gig on linux was on a miso live-usb (back in the days) and I have
to admit that I was very proud at that time.

now I'm a happy arch user but none of it would have happened without
your great work.

I wish you good luck for your future projects !

pure:dyne is dead. long live pure:dyne.

_y
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[hidden email]
http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne