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In debian, I'd fetch the sources from unstable (having the proper
deb-src line in /etc/sources.list) with ' apt-get source jackd '  and
create a deb package from them using ' dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
-us -uc '. Then I'd simply replace the installed jackd with it,
without uninstalling anything. You could try the same with sources
from newer versions from ubuntu. Just a suggestion.

2010/5/20, gusano <[hidden email]>:

> hello
>
> while trying to fix my FW sound issues (again...), I'd like to uninstall
> jackd and libffado to compile newer versions.
>
> problem is, if I do that aptitude wants to remove (nearly) all packages
> from my system !
>
> is there a way to remove *only one* package ?
>
> cheers,
> _y
>
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hi Ricardo

thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid it's a bit too tricky for me right now..

what I don't get is: why nearly all audio apps installed in pure:dyne are dependencies from jackd ? (just an example)
I would love being able to 'apt-get remove jackd' and aptitude would remove *only* technical dependencies (and not Ardour or SuperCollider packages...)

cheers,
_y


On 20/05/10 15:14, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
In debian, I'd fetch the sources from unstable (having the proper
deb-src line in /etc/sources.list) with ' apt-get source jackd '  and
create a deb package from them using ' dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
-us -uc '. Then I'd simply replace the installed jackd with it,
without uninstalling anything. You could try the same with sources
from newer versions from ubuntu. Just a suggestion.

2010/5/20, gusano [hidden email]:
hello

while trying to fix my FW sound issues (again...), I'd like to uninstall
jackd and libffado to compile newer versions.

problem is, if I do that aptitude wants to remove (nearly) all packages
from my system !

is there a way to remove *only one* package ?

cheers,
_y

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Re: [puredyne] uninstall package issues

it seems to be some versions conflict. Using aptitude's interface,
what are the given reasons for removing the files (enter 'e' to see
them)? Does apt-get also try to remove those files? (run it with the
-s (simulate) flag). And did you update the repo's? The others on the
list might help you further, since I use pure:dyne only as a live
system and avoid upgrading it to not break things.

2010/5/20, gusano <[hidden email]>:

> ok, I removed jackd via 'apt-remove'.
> now if I want to *reinstall* it, aptitude wants to *remove* the
> following packages:
>
> amsynth, audacious, audacity, avidemux, avidemux-plugins, chuck,
> csladspa, csound, darkice, dssi-host-jack, ecasound, fluxus, ...,
> libjack-dev, libjack0, libjack0.100.0-0, libportaudio2, all pd libs,
> puredata, ..., vlc-plugin-jack, wsynth-dssi, zynaddsubfx.
>
> WTF ?
>
> _y
>

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Man, you have just screwed your system, I guess.
This is exactly how the dependiences work ;) You cannot use things
without jackd - this is why it wants to remove any problematic pieces
prior to any installation :D
First - don't hurry. When you will ruin your system, you will probably
loose more time. Read manuals before typing anything into console.
Secondly, if avaliable, try to download the package by hand and install
it via some primitive tool like gdebi or even dpkg - this is handy kind
of swiss army knife for packages.
Reinstalling whole this mess also should be easy - as long, as there are
aptitude and networking tools still installed, don't be affraid of
reinstalling things. You should have packages cashed somewhere anyway,
so download should not take too long.
After you rescue or reinstall your things - don't mess with different
package tools, keep your things clean and do not experiment - cause this
is really tricky to experiment in depency-based package managed systems.
Use one tool only - aptitude is great, or triple- or quadruple-check if
the policies in the tools you intend to use match exactly.
Any Ubuntu-based system REALLY is immune to any fine-tuning without PhD
in ubuntology. Use Slack or Arch if you want to play with the system in
the Linux way. I was able to delete my whole /usr (the place where the
software goes) and have system up and running in repairable state.

You could always keep the newer version of your favourite soft somewhere
without installing it by package, and just run it from where it is.

I really hate Ubuntu family, it smells like unusable blasphemy for me
since forever, and, being moderately experienced Linux user, I found
Ubuntu finally always breaks itself. ;)

So have fun, esp. if you are learning the hard way. This is only the
time and the software - you have both i hope, there is no need to loose
health too.

Cheers,
Luke

W dniu 2010-05-20 16:07, gusano pisze:

> ok, I removed jackd via 'apt-remove'.
> now if I want to *reinstall* it, aptitude wants to *remove* the
> following packages:
>
> amsynth, audacious, audacity, avidemux, avidemux-plugins, chuck,
> csladspa, csound, darkice, dssi-host-jack, ecasound, fluxus, ...,
> libjack-dev, libjack0, libjack0.100.0-0, libportaudio2, all pd libs,
> puredata, ..., vlc-plugin-jack, wsynth-dssi, zynaddsubfx.
>
> WTF ?
>
> _y
>
>
> On 20/05/10 15:49, gusano wrote:
>> hi Ricardo
>>
>> thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid it's a bit too tricky for me
>> right now..
>>
>> what I don't get is: why nearly all audio apps installed in pure:dyne
>> are dependencies from jackd ? (just an example)
>> I would love being able to 'apt-get remove jackd' and aptitude would
>> remove *only* technical dependencies (and not Ardour or SuperCollider
>> packages...)
>>
>> cheers,
>> _y
>>
>>
>> On 20/05/10 15:14, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
>>> In debian, I'd fetch the sources from unstable (having the proper
>>> deb-src line in /etc/sources.list) with ' apt-get source jackd ' and
>>> create a deb package from them using ' dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
>>> -us -uc '. Then I'd simply replace the installed jackd with it,
>>> without uninstalling anything. You could try the same with sources
>>> from newer versions from ubuntu. Just a suggestion.
>>>
>>> 2010/5/20, gusano<[hidden email]>:
>>>> hello
>>>>
>>>> while trying to fix my FW sound issues (again...), I'd like to
>>>> uninstall
>>>> jackd and libffado to compile newer versions.
>>>>
>>>> problem is, if I do that aptitude wants to remove (nearly) all packages
>>>> from my system !
>>>>
>>>> is there a way to remove *only one* package ?
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> _y
>>>>
>>>> ---
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>>>> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
>>>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
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>>>
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>>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
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sorry but I don't get what you mean by "enter 'e'" ?

yes I do this via apt-get (thought this was 'aptitude').

and I also would not update puredyne if my FW soundcard was working as
it did in older puredyne releases (it does not by default in latest cc
release...).

cheers,
_y


On 20/05/10 16:41, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:

> it seems to be some versions conflict. Using aptitude's interface,
> what are the given reasons for removing the files (enter 'e' to see
> them)? Does apt-get also try to remove those files? (run it with the
> -s (simulate) flag). And did you update the repo's? The others on the
> list might help you further, since I use pure:dyne only as a live
> system and avoid upgrading it to not break things.
>
> 2010/5/20, gusano<[hidden email]>:
>> ok, I removed jackd via 'apt-remove'.
>> now if I want to *reinstall* it, aptitude wants to *remove* the
>> following packages:
>>
>> amsynth, audacious, audacity, avidemux, avidemux-plugins, chuck,
>> csladspa, csound, darkice, dssi-host-jack, ecasound, fluxus, ...,
>> libjack-dev, libjack0, libjack0.100.0-0, libportaudio2, all pd libs,
>> puredata, ..., vlc-plugin-jack, wsynth-dssi, zynaddsubfx.
>>
>> WTF ?
>>
>> _y

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type 'sudo aptitude' on a terminal, an select jackd. At the bottom
you'll probably see a red line with suggestions, typing 'e' will show
them.

2010/5/20, gusano <[hidden email]>:

> sorry but I don't get what you mean by "enter 'e'" ?
>
> yes I do this via apt-get (thought this was 'aptitude').
>
> and I also would not update puredyne if my FW soundcard was working as
> it did in older puredyne releases (it does not by default in latest cc
> release...).
>
> cheers,
> _y
>
>
> On 20/05/10 16:41, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
>> it seems to be some versions conflict. Using aptitude's interface,
>> what are the given reasons for removing the files (enter 'e' to see
>> them)? Does apt-get also try to remove those files? (run it with the
>> -s (simulate) flag). And did you update the repo's? The others on the
>> list might help you further, since I use pure:dyne only as a live
>> system and avoid upgrading it to not break things.
>>
>> 2010/5/20, gusano<[hidden email]>:
>>> ok, I removed jackd via 'apt-remove'.
>>> now if I want to *reinstall* it, aptitude wants to *remove* the
>>> following packages:
>>>
>>> amsynth, audacious, audacity, avidemux, avidemux-plugins, chuck,
>>> csladspa, csound, darkice, dssi-host-jack, ecasound, fluxus, ...,
>>> libjack-dev, libjack0, libjack0.100.0-0, libportaudio2, all pd libs,
>>> puredata, ..., vlc-plugin-jack, wsynth-dssi, zynaddsubfx.
>>>
>>> WTF ?
>>>
>>> _y
>
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hi Lukasz

yeah you're right.
sorry if I sound angry, it's just not the right moment (and day) for me
to screw everything up.
but no worry, I'm used to re-install it quickly ;)

I just started using pure-dyne because it was the only linux distro with
which my FW soundcard worked out-of-the-box, alas it's not the case
anymore, that's why I experiment and end up with such a mess.

again sorry for the noise, I'm gonna have a beer and use my
crappy-but-working usb card :)

@Ricardo I'm giving up for now, thanks for the aptitude trick, I forgot
about that

cheers,
_y



On 20/05/10 16:44, Lukasz Jastrzebski wrote:

> Man, you have just screwed your system, I guess.
> This is exactly how the dependiences work ;) You cannot use things
> without jackd - this is why it wants to remove any problematic pieces
> prior to any installation :D
> First - don't hurry. When you will ruin your system, you will probably
> loose more time. Read manuals before typing anything into console.
> Secondly, if avaliable, try to download the package by hand and
> install it via some primitive tool like gdebi or even dpkg - this is
> handy kind of swiss army knife for packages.
> Reinstalling whole this mess also should be easy - as long, as there
> are aptitude and networking tools still installed, don't be affraid of
> reinstalling things. You should have packages cashed somewhere anyway,
> so download should not take too long.
> After you rescue or reinstall your things - don't mess with different
> package tools, keep your things clean and do not experiment - cause
> this is really tricky to experiment in depency-based package managed
> systems. Use one tool only - aptitude is great, or triple- or
> quadruple-check if the policies in the tools you intend to use match
> exactly.
> Any Ubuntu-based system REALLY is immune to any fine-tuning without
> PhD in ubuntology. Use Slack or Arch if you want to play with the
> system in the Linux way. I was able to delete my whole /usr (the place
> where the software goes) and have system up and running in repairable
> state.
>
> You could always keep the newer version of your favourite soft
> somewhere without installing it by package, and just run it from where
> it is.
>
> I really hate Ubuntu family, it smells like unusable blasphemy for me
> since forever, and, being moderately experienced Linux user, I found
> Ubuntu finally always breaks itself. ;)
>
> So have fun, esp. if you are learning the hard way. This is only the
> time and the software - you have both i hope, there is no need to
> loose health too.
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> W dniu 2010-05-20 16:07, gusano pisze:
>> ok, I removed jackd via 'apt-remove'.
>> now if I want to *reinstall* it, aptitude wants to *remove* the
>> following packages:
>>
>> amsynth, audacious, audacity, avidemux, avidemux-plugins, chuck,
>> csladspa, csound, darkice, dssi-host-jack, ecasound, fluxus, ...,
>> libjack-dev, libjack0, libjack0.100.0-0, libportaudio2, all pd libs,
>> puredata, ..., vlc-plugin-jack, wsynth-dssi, zynaddsubfx.
>>
>> WTF ?
>>
>> _y
>>
>>
>> On 20/05/10 15:49, gusano wrote:
>>> hi Ricardo
>>>
>>> thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid it's a bit too tricky for me
>>> right now..
>>>
>>> what I don't get is: why nearly all audio apps installed in pure:dyne
>>> are dependencies from jackd ? (just an example)
>>> I would love being able to 'apt-get remove jackd' and aptitude would
>>> remove *only* technical dependencies (and not Ardour or SuperCollider
>>> packages...)
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> _y
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/05/10 15:14, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
>>>> In debian, I'd fetch the sources from unstable (having the proper
>>>> deb-src line in /etc/sources.list) with ' apt-get source jackd ' and
>>>> create a deb package from them using ' dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
>>>> -us -uc '. Then I'd simply replace the installed jackd with it,
>>>> without uninstalling anything. You could try the same with sources
>>>> from newer versions from ubuntu. Just a suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> 2010/5/20, gusano<[hidden email]>:
>>>>> hello
>>>>>
>>>>> while trying to fix my FW sound issues (again...), I'd like to
>>>>> uninstall
>>>>> jackd and libffado to compile newer versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> problem is, if I do that aptitude wants to remove (nearly) all
>>>>> packages
>>>>> from my system !
>>>>>
>>>>> is there a way to remove *only one* package ?
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> _y
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
>>>>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
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>>>
>>
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I'm just curious, which interface do you have, and what are the
problems? I also own a firewire card (fa-101), but use it mainly with
debian squeeze and a rt kernel. It's working ok, but I didn't try (as
far as I remember) with very low latencies. Will test again when I go
back home.

2010/5/20, gusano <[hidden email]>:

> hi Lukasz
>
> yeah you're right.
> sorry if I sound angry, it's just not the right moment (and day) for me
> to screw everything up.
> but no worry, I'm used to re-install it quickly ;)
>
> I just started using pure-dyne because it was the only linux distro with
> which my FW soundcard worked out-of-the-box, alas it's not the case
> anymore, that's why I experiment and end up with such a mess.
>
> again sorry for the noise, I'm gonna have a beer and use my
> crappy-but-working usb card :)
>
> @Ricardo I'm giving up for now, thanks for the aptitude trick, I forgot
> about that
>
> cheers,
> _y
>
>
>
> On 20/05/10 16:44, Lukasz Jastrzebski wrote:
>> Man, you have just screwed your system, I guess.
>> This is exactly how the dependiences work ;) You cannot use things
>> without jackd - this is why it wants to remove any problematic pieces
>> prior to any installation :D
>> First - don't hurry. When you will ruin your system, you will probably
>> loose more time. Read manuals before typing anything into console.
>> Secondly, if avaliable, try to download the package by hand and
>> install it via some primitive tool like gdebi or even dpkg - this is
>> handy kind of swiss army knife for packages.
>> Reinstalling whole this mess also should be easy - as long, as there
>> are aptitude and networking tools still installed, don't be affraid of
>> reinstalling things. You should have packages cashed somewhere anyway,
>> so download should not take too long.
>> After you rescue or reinstall your things - don't mess with different
>> package tools, keep your things clean and do not experiment - cause
>> this is really tricky to experiment in depency-based package managed
>> systems. Use one tool only - aptitude is great, or triple- or
>> quadruple-check if the policies in the tools you intend to use match
>> exactly.
>> Any Ubuntu-based system REALLY is immune to any fine-tuning without
>> PhD in ubuntology. Use Slack or Arch if you want to play with the
>> system in the Linux way. I was able to delete my whole /usr (the place
>> where the software goes) and have system up and running in repairable
>> state.
>>
>> You could always keep the newer version of your favourite soft
>> somewhere without installing it by package, and just run it from where
>> it is.
>>
>> I really hate Ubuntu family, it smells like unusable blasphemy for me
>> since forever, and, being moderately experienced Linux user, I found
>> Ubuntu finally always breaks itself. ;)
>>
>> So have fun, esp. if you are learning the hard way. This is only the
>> time and the software - you have both i hope, there is no need to
>> loose health too.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Luke
>>
>> W dniu 2010-05-20 16:07, gusano pisze:
>>> ok, I removed jackd via 'apt-remove'.
>>> now if I want to *reinstall* it, aptitude wants to *remove* the
>>> following packages:
>>>
>>> amsynth, audacious, audacity, avidemux, avidemux-plugins, chuck,
>>> csladspa, csound, darkice, dssi-host-jack, ecasound, fluxus, ...,
>>> libjack-dev, libjack0, libjack0.100.0-0, libportaudio2, all pd libs,
>>> puredata, ..., vlc-plugin-jack, wsynth-dssi, zynaddsubfx.
>>>
>>> WTF ?
>>>
>>> _y
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/05/10 15:49, gusano wrote:
>>>> hi Ricardo
>>>>
>>>> thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid it's a bit too tricky for me
>>>> right now..
>>>>
>>>> what I don't get is: why nearly all audio apps installed in pure:dyne
>>>> are dependencies from jackd ? (just an example)
>>>> I would love being able to 'apt-get remove jackd' and aptitude would
>>>> remove *only* technical dependencies (and not Ardour or SuperCollider
>>>> packages...)
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> _y
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/05/10 15:14, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
>>>>> In debian, I'd fetch the sources from unstable (having the proper
>>>>> deb-src line in /etc/sources.list) with ' apt-get source jackd ' and
>>>>> create a deb package from them using ' dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
>>>>> -us -uc '. Then I'd simply replace the installed jackd with it,
>>>>> without uninstalling anything. You could try the same with sources
>>>>> from newer versions from ubuntu. Just a suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/5/20, gusano<[hidden email]>:
>>>>>> hello
>>>>>>
>>>>>> while trying to fix my FW sound issues (again...), I'd like to
>>>>>> uninstall
>>>>>> jackd and libffado to compile newer versions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> problem is, if I do that aptitude wants to remove (nearly) all
>>>>>> packages
>>>>>> from my system !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is there a way to remove *only one* package ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>> _y
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
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Re: [puredyne] uninstall package issues

sorry about top post...
i have the same hardware and run it, as stated before, as root (both  
ffado-debus-server and qjackctl).
stable, no problems whatsoever under puredyne 9.10 thats has been  
updated.
/a

On May 20, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:

> I'm just curious, which interface do you have, and what are the
> problems? I also own a firewire card (fa-101), but use it mainly with
> debian squeeze and a rt kernel. It's working ok, but I didn't try (as
> far as I remember) with very low latencies. Will test again when I go
> back home.
>
> 2010/5/20, gusano <[hidden email]>:
>> hi Lukasz
>>
>> yeah you're right.
>> sorry if I sound angry, it's just not the right moment (and day)  
>> for me
>> to screw everything up.
>> but no worry, I'm used to re-install it quickly ;)
>>
>> I just started using pure-dyne because it was the only linux distro  
>> with
>> which my FW soundcard worked out-of-the-box, alas it's not the case
>> anymore, that's why I experiment and end up with such a mess.
>>
>> again sorry for the noise, I'm gonna have a beer and use my
>> crappy-but-working usb card :)
>>
>> @Ricardo I'm giving up for now, thanks for the aptitude trick, I  
>> forgot
>> about that
>>
>> cheers,
>> _y
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/05/10 16:44, Lukasz Jastrzebski wrote:
>>> Man, you have just screwed your system, I guess.
>>> This is exactly how the dependiences work ;) You cannot use things
>>> without jackd - this is why it wants to remove any problematic  
>>> pieces
>>> prior to any installation :D
>>> First - don't hurry. When you will ruin your system, you will  
>>> probably
>>> loose more time. Read manuals before typing anything into console.
>>> Secondly, if avaliable, try to download the package by hand and
>>> install it via some primitive tool like gdebi or even dpkg - this is
>>> handy kind of swiss army knife for packages.
>>> Reinstalling whole this mess also should be easy - as long, as there
>>> are aptitude and networking tools still installed, don't be  
>>> affraid of
>>> reinstalling things. You should have packages cashed somewhere  
>>> anyway,
>>> so download should not take too long.
>>> After you rescue or reinstall your things - don't mess with  
>>> different
>>> package tools, keep your things clean and do not experiment - cause
>>> this is really tricky to experiment in depency-based package managed
>>> systems. Use one tool only - aptitude is great, or triple- or
>>> quadruple-check if the policies in the tools you intend to use match
>>> exactly.
>>> Any Ubuntu-based system REALLY is immune to any fine-tuning without
>>> PhD in ubuntology. Use Slack or Arch if you want to play with the
>>> system in the Linux way. I was able to delete my whole /usr (the  
>>> place
>>> where the software goes) and have system up and running in  
>>> repairable
>>> state.
>>>
>>> You could always keep the newer version of your favourite soft
>>> somewhere without installing it by package, and just run it from  
>>> where
>>> it is.
>>>
>>> I really hate Ubuntu family, it smells like unusable blasphemy for  
>>> me
>>> since forever, and, being moderately experienced Linux user, I found
>>> Ubuntu finally always breaks itself. ;)
>>>
>>> So have fun, esp. if you are learning the hard way. This is only the
>>> time and the software - you have both i hope, there is no need to
>>> loose health too.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Luke
>>>
>>> W dniu 2010-05-20 16:07, gusano pisze:
>>>> ok, I removed jackd via 'apt-remove'.
>>>> now if I want to *reinstall* it, aptitude wants to *remove* the
>>>> following packages:
>>>>
>>>> amsynth, audacious, audacity, avidemux, avidemux-plugins, chuck,
>>>> csladspa, csound, darkice, dssi-host-jack, ecasound, fluxus, ...,
>>>> libjack-dev, libjack0, libjack0.100.0-0, libportaudio2, all pd  
>>>> libs,
>>>> puredata, ..., vlc-plugin-jack, wsynth-dssi, zynaddsubfx.
>>>>
>>>> WTF ?
>>>>
>>>> _y
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/05/10 15:49, gusano wrote:
>>>>> hi Ricardo
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid it's a bit too tricky  
>>>>> for me
>>>>> right now..
>>>>>
>>>>> what I don't get is: why nearly all audio apps installed in  
>>>>> pure:dyne
>>>>> are dependencies from jackd ? (just an example)
>>>>> I would love being able to 'apt-get remove jackd' and aptitude  
>>>>> would
>>>>> remove *only* technical dependencies (and not Ardour or  
>>>>> SuperCollider
>>>>> packages...)
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> _y
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20/05/10 15:14, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
>>>>>> In debian, I'd fetch the sources from unstable (having the proper
>>>>>> deb-src line in /etc/sources.list) with ' apt-get source jackd  
>>>>>> ' and
>>>>>> create a deb package from them using ' dpkg-buildpackage -
>>>>>> rfakeroot -b
>>>>>> -us -uc '. Then I'd simply replace the installed jackd with it,
>>>>>> without uninstalling anything. You could try the same with  
>>>>>> sources
>>>>>> from newer versions from ubuntu. Just a suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/5/20, gusano<[hidden email]>:
>>>>>>> hello
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> while trying to fix my FW sound issues (again...), I'd like to
>>>>>>> uninstall
>>>>>>> jackd and libffado to compile newer versions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> problem is, if I do that aptitude wants to remove (nearly) all
>>>>>>> packages
>>>>>>> from my system !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is there a way to remove *only one* package ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> _y
>>>>>>>
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alejo said :
> sorry about top post...
> i have the same hardware and run it, as stated before, as root (both
> ffado-debus-server and qjackctl).

why as root?

> stable, no problems whatsoever under puredyne 9.10 thats has been
> updated.
> /a
>
> On May 20, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
>
> >I'm just curious, which interface do you have, and what are the
> >problems? I also own a firewire card (fa-101), but use it mainly with
> >debian squeeze and a rt kernel. It's working ok, but I didn't try (as
> >far as I remember) with very low latencies. Will test again when I go
> >back home.
> >
> >2010/5/20, gusano <[hidden email]>:
> >>hi Lukasz
> >>
> >>yeah you're right.
> >>sorry if I sound angry, it's just not the right moment (and day)
> >>for me
> >>to screw everything up.
> >>but no worry, I'm used to re-install it quickly ;)
> >>
> >>I just started using pure-dyne because it was the only linux
> >>distro with
> >>which my FW soundcard worked out-of-the-box, alas it's not the case
> >>anymore, that's why I experiment and end up with such a mess.
> >>
> >>again sorry for the noise, I'm gonna have a beer and use my
> >>crappy-but-working usb card :)
> >>
> >>@Ricardo I'm giving up for now, thanks for the aptitude trick, I
> >>forgot
> >>about that
> >>
> >>cheers,
> >>_y
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On 20/05/10 16:44, Lukasz Jastrzebski wrote:
> >>>Man, you have just screwed your system, I guess.
> >>>This is exactly how the dependiences work ;) You cannot use things
> >>>without jackd - this is why it wants to remove any problematic
> >>>pieces
> >>>prior to any installation :D
> >>>First - don't hurry. When you will ruin your system, you will
> >>>probably
> >>>loose more time. Read manuals before typing anything into console.
> >>>Secondly, if avaliable, try to download the package by hand and
> >>>install it via some primitive tool like gdebi or even dpkg - this is
> >>>handy kind of swiss army knife for packages.
> >>>Reinstalling whole this mess also should be easy - as long, as there
> >>>are aptitude and networking tools still installed, don't be
> >>>affraid of
> >>>reinstalling things. You should have packages cashed somewhere
> >>>anyway,
> >>>so download should not take too long.
> >>>After you rescue or reinstall your things - don't mess with
> >>>different
> >>>package tools, keep your things clean and do not experiment - cause
> >>>this is really tricky to experiment in depency-based package managed
> >>>systems. Use one tool only - aptitude is great, or triple- or
> >>>quadruple-check if the policies in the tools you intend to use match
> >>>exactly.
> >>>Any Ubuntu-based system REALLY is immune to any fine-tuning without
> >>>PhD in ubuntology. Use Slack or Arch if you want to play with the
> >>>system in the Linux way. I was able to delete my whole /usr
> >>>(the place
> >>>where the software goes) and have system up and running in
> >>>repairable
> >>>state.
> >>>
> >>>You could always keep the newer version of your favourite soft
> >>>somewhere without installing it by package, and just run it
> >>>from where
> >>>it is.
> >>>
> >>>I really hate Ubuntu family, it smells like unusable blasphemy
> >>>for me
> >>>since forever, and, being moderately experienced Linux user, I found
> >>>Ubuntu finally always breaks itself. ;)
> >>>
> >>>So have fun, esp. if you are learning the hard way. This is only the
> >>>time and the software - you have both i hope, there is no need to
> >>>loose health too.
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>Luke
> >>>
> >>>W dniu 2010-05-20 16:07, gusano pisze:
> >>>>ok, I removed jackd via 'apt-remove'.
> >>>>now if I want to *reinstall* it, aptitude wants to *remove* the
> >>>>following packages:
> >>>>
> >>>>amsynth, audacious, audacity, avidemux, avidemux-plugins, chuck,
> >>>>csladspa, csound, darkice, dssi-host-jack, ecasound, fluxus, ...,
> >>>>libjack-dev, libjack0, libjack0.100.0-0, libportaudio2, all
> >>>>pd libs,
> >>>>puredata, ..., vlc-plugin-jack, wsynth-dssi, zynaddsubfx.
> >>>>
> >>>>WTF ?
> >>>>
> >>>>_y
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On 20/05/10 15:49, gusano wrote:
> >>>>>hi Ricardo
> >>>>>
> >>>>>thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid it's a bit too
> >>>>>tricky for me
> >>>>>right now..
> >>>>>
> >>>>>what I don't get is: why nearly all audio apps installed
> >>>>>in pure:dyne
> >>>>>are dependencies from jackd ? (just an example)
> >>>>>I would love being able to 'apt-get remove jackd' and
> >>>>>aptitude would
> >>>>>remove *only* technical dependencies (and not Ardour or
> >>>>>SuperCollider
> >>>>>packages...)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>cheers,
> >>>>>_y
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On 20/05/10 15:14, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
> >>>>>>In debian, I'd fetch the sources from unstable (having the proper
> >>>>>>deb-src line in /etc/sources.list) with ' apt-get source
> >>>>>>jackd ' and
> >>>>>>create a deb package from them using ' dpkg-buildpackage
> >>>>>>-rfakeroot -b
> >>>>>>-us -uc '. Then I'd simply replace the installed jackd with it,
> >>>>>>without uninstalling anything. You could try the same
> >>>>>>with sources
> >>>>>>from newer versions from ubuntu. Just a suggestion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>2010/5/20, gusano<[hidden email]>:
> >>>>>>>hello
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>while trying to fix my FW sound issues (again...), I'd like to
> >>>>>>>uninstall
> >>>>>>>jackd and libffado to compile newer versions.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>problem is, if I do that aptitude wants to remove (nearly) all
> >>>>>>>packages
> >>>>>>>from my system !
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>is there a way to remove *only one* package ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>cheers,
> >>>>>>>_y
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>---
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> >>>>>>>http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
> >>>>>>>irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
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On May 20, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Aymeric Mansoux wrote:

> alejo said :
>> sorry about top post...
>> i have the same hardware and run it, as stated before, as root (both
>> ffado-debus-server and qjackctl).
>
> why as root?

cause i haven't changed the permissions as suggested by yaxu:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/puredyne-live/+bug/506064

yes, i got used to run this as root.

>
>> stable, no problems whatsoever under puredyne 9.10 thats has been
>> updated.
>> /a
>>
>> On May 20, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
>>
>>> I'm just curious, which interface do you have, and what are the
>>> problems? I also own a firewire card (fa-101), but use it mainly  
>>> with
>>> debian squeeze and a rt kernel. It's working ok, but I didn't try  
>>> (as
>>> far as I remember) with very low latencies. Will test again when I  
>>> go
>>> back home.
>>>
>>> 2010/5/20, gusano <[hidden email]>:
>>>> hi Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> yeah you're right.
>>>> sorry if I sound angry, it's just not the right moment (and day)
>>>> for me
>>>> to screw everything up.
>>>> but no worry, I'm used to re-install it quickly ;)
>>>>
>>>> I just started using pure-dyne because it was the only linux
>>>> distro with
>>>> which my FW soundcard worked out-of-the-box, alas it's not the case
>>>> anymore, that's why I experiment and end up with such a mess.
>>>>
>>>> again sorry for the noise, I'm gonna have a beer and use my
>>>> crappy-but-working usb card :)
>>>>
>>>> @Ricardo I'm giving up for now, thanks for the aptitude trick, I
>>>> forgot
>>>> about that
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> _y
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/05/10 16:44, Lukasz Jastrzebski wrote:
>>>>> Man, you have just screwed your system, I guess.
>>>>> This is exactly how the dependiences work ;) You cannot use things
>>>>> without jackd - this is why it wants to remove any problematic
>>>>> pieces
>>>>> prior to any installation :D
>>>>> First - don't hurry. When you will ruin your system, you will
>>>>> probably
>>>>> loose more time. Read manuals before typing anything into console.
>>>>> Secondly, if avaliable, try to download the package by hand and
>>>>> install it via some primitive tool like gdebi or even dpkg -  
>>>>> this is
>>>>> handy kind of swiss army knife for packages.
>>>>> Reinstalling whole this mess also should be easy - as long, as  
>>>>> there
>>>>> are aptitude and networking tools still installed, don't be
>>>>> affraid of
>>>>> reinstalling things. You should have packages cashed somewhere
>>>>> anyway,
>>>>> so download should not take too long.
>>>>> After you rescue or reinstall your things - don't mess with
>>>>> different
>>>>> package tools, keep your things clean and do not experiment -  
>>>>> cause
>>>>> this is really tricky to experiment in depency-based package  
>>>>> managed
>>>>> systems. Use one tool only - aptitude is great, or triple- or
>>>>> quadruple-check if the policies in the tools you intend to use  
>>>>> match
>>>>> exactly.
>>>>> Any Ubuntu-based system REALLY is immune to any fine-tuning  
>>>>> without
>>>>> PhD in ubuntology. Use Slack or Arch if you want to play with the
>>>>> system in the Linux way. I was able to delete my whole /usr
>>>>> (the place
>>>>> where the software goes) and have system up and running in
>>>>> repairable
>>>>> state.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could always keep the newer version of your favourite soft
>>>>> somewhere without installing it by package, and just run it
>>>>> from where
>>>>> it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really hate Ubuntu family, it smells like unusable blasphemy
>>>>> for me
>>>>> since forever, and, being moderately experienced Linux user, I  
>>>>> found
>>>>> Ubuntu finally always breaks itself. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> So have fun, esp. if you are learning the hard way. This is only  
>>>>> the
>>>>> time and the software - you have both i hope, there is no need to
>>>>> loose health too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Luke
>>>>>
>>>>> W dniu 2010-05-20 16:07, gusano pisze:
>>>>>> ok, I removed jackd via 'apt-remove'.
>>>>>> now if I want to *reinstall* it, aptitude wants to *remove* the
>>>>>> following packages:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> amsynth, audacious, audacity, avidemux, avidemux-plugins, chuck,
>>>>>> csladspa, csound, darkice, dssi-host-jack, ecasound, fluxus, ...,
>>>>>> libjack-dev, libjack0, libjack0.100.0-0, libportaudio2, all
>>>>>> pd libs,
>>>>>> puredata, ..., vlc-plugin-jack, wsynth-dssi, zynaddsubfx.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTF ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _y
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/05/10 15:49, gusano wrote:
>>>>>>> hi Ricardo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid it's a bit too
>>>>>>> tricky for me
>>>>>>> right now..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what I don't get is: why nearly all audio apps installed
>>>>>>> in pure:dyne
>>>>>>> are dependencies from jackd ? (just an example)
>>>>>>> I would love being able to 'apt-get remove jackd' and
>>>>>>> aptitude would
>>>>>>> remove *only* technical dependencies (and not Ardour or
>>>>>>> SuperCollider
>>>>>>> packages...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> _y
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/05/10 15:14, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
>>>>>>>> In debian, I'd fetch the sources from unstable (having the  
>>>>>>>> proper
>>>>>>>> deb-src line in /etc/sources.list) with ' apt-get source
>>>>>>>> jackd ' and
>>>>>>>> create a deb package from them using ' dpkg-buildpackage
>>>>>>>> -rfakeroot -b
>>>>>>>> -us -uc '. Then I'd simply replace the installed jackd with it,
>>>>>>>> without uninstalling anything. You could try the same
>>>>>>>> with sources
>>>>>>>> from newer versions from ubuntu. Just a suggestion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/5/20, gusano<[hidden email]>:
>>>>>>>>> hello
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> while trying to fix my FW sound issues (again...), I'd like to
>>>>>>>>> uninstall
>>>>>>>>> jackd and libffado to compile newer versions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> problem is, if I do that aptitude wants to remove (nearly) all
>>>>>>>>> packages
>>>>>>>>> from my system !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is there a way to remove *only one* package ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>>>> _y
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>>>>> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
>>>>>>>>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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I have a Presonus Firebox.
in case you're curious, there are some discussions about my issue:

http://lists.goto10.org/pipermail/puredyne/2010-April/003586.html

and these days on the ffado-user mailing-list (sorry no url as it seems
to be down/unarchived(?) right now)

_y


On 20/05/10 17:24, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
> I'm just curious, which interface do you have, and what are the
> problems? I also own a firewire card (fa-101), but use it mainly with
> debian squeeze and a rt kernel. It's working ok, but I didn't try (as
> far as I remember) with very low latencies. Will test again when I go
> back home.


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At my work we have many of those cards, they seem to be working. But
I'll test them next week.

If you want to try again later, I still suggest you to compile the
packages from lucid's sources. It should be pretty easy, just a matter
of doing 'apt-get build-dep jackd' to install dependencies, putting
the deb-src line in your sources.list and typing the commands I
listed, or simply apt-get source --compile jackd . You might need to
compile some separate dependencies too. APT will tell you. This is
always my approach on my debian system, I run either stable or testing
and, if I need some version that is neither there nor in
backports.org, I compile it from sid this way (works IMHO better than
installing the precompiled ones). So I get always a reliable system.

2010/5/20, gusano <[hidden email]>:

> I have a Presonus Firebox.
> in case you're curious, there are some discussions about my issue:
>
> http://lists.goto10.org/pipermail/puredyne/2010-April/003586.html
>
> and these days on the ffado-user mailing-list (sorry no url as it seems
> to be down/unarchived(?) right now)
>
> _y
>
>
> On 20/05/10 17:24, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
>> I'm just curious, which interface do you have, and what are the
>> problems? I also own a firewire card (fa-101), but use it mainly with
>> debian squeeze and a rt kernel. It's working ok, but I didn't try (as
>> far as I remember) with very low latencies. Will test again when I go
>> back home.
>
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