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Sorry to hear the project is dying! Though I saw that coming, I must say. A sensible decision.

I would certainly be interested in another mailing list, so count my vote in on that one!


Thanks for the fun!

Milo Mordaunt
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Today's Topics:

  1. A new beginning, thanks again (Jean-No?l Montagn?)
  2. A New Install (Julian Brooks)
  3. Re: A New Install (Geofroy Tremblay)
  4. Re: announcement from the Puredyne developers
     (Manjunan Gnanaratnam)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:20:26 +0100
From: Jean-No?l Montagn? <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [puredyne] A new beginning, thanks again
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I would like first to thank all the team for the developpement during
this years, and also for the documentation which is a very important
part for non-developpers like me.

As an occasional interactive arts workshop organiser, in France or in
Africa, for visual & multimedia artist, in social centers, I dream of
a liveCD, DVD or USBkey, with PD Extended, arduino and processing
working "out of the box " with minimal configuration. And please, in
your choices, don't forget that many people in this planet have older
computers than ours, less cpu and less ram, and difficult web
access...

cheers,
JN


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:35:22 +0000
From: Julian Brooks <[hidden email]>
To: puredyne <[hidden email]>
Subject: [puredyne] A New Install
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"Just some ideas for different future ways to share
common aims and efforts...."

Yes indeed, which is precisely what we could do with atm.

And as dope as that looks, tbh my immediate thoughts are with having a
fresh install.  Though I'm sure there must be more of us who have been
running Puredyne as our main install and are unsure where to go next, I'm
also presuming that there are others who are also thinking that any other
ready made OS will seem like a step backwards from what we've had already.
If I'd wanted to have a different distro I would have shifted to that
already!

So the general vibe is with building on debian: which one and how basic can
we get to have that custom feel yet contains enough 'stuff' to get going?

Obviously going to need a realtime kernel.  Are there really decent
benefits from rolling your own to fit your own machine?  And again if so -
how?

Personally I would be well chuffed to have a lappy where pretty much
everything is compiled and tweeked for my machine.  Not sure how big the
performance gains would be but personal satisfaction-wise it would be
sizeable.

And then to be able to clone that as a system restore whilst having learnt
how to make custom live-iso's for whatever reason (family, friends,
community, work, etc.) would be a really useful skill to share.

Onwards eh,

Julian




On 7 February 2012 23:47, Andy Farnell <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> This side of Debian has always impressed me
>
> http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build
>
> Rather than a project that attempts to create and maintain
> a one-size-fits-all "distribution" I believe the future
> for software that supports groups like this is that
> they become a "knowledge base" with a pick-and-mix
> set of frequently desired features or configurations
> that can move forward independently of the host base
> system. This is different from the downstream model
> with backporting etc, in that it abandons the attempt to
> preserve a definitive version. For 64Studio, Daniel James
> and Free Ekanayaka adopted a powerful model based around
> PDK (shares some ideas with builders like Broth)
> with a concept of different blendable "channels".
>
> Another advantage is that the base Debian doesnt have
> to be downloaded every time and doesnt need to be hosted
> by the team, its just a channel (package repo and rules for
> blending). Going back to the root of Debian frees the project
> from policies and decisions downstream at Ubuntu.
>
> Just some ideas for different future ways to share
> common aims and efforts....
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 06:28:11PM -0500, Dave Britton wrote:
> > I've recently been struggling with carrot and coriander's limited
> > life support from being karmic-based, so a long-term support
> > distribution would be fine with me, I'd vote for Debian or Ubuntu
> > just because I know it more and like the packaging system. The most
> > important aspect of puredyne for me is the real-time kernel
> > implementation, so I may have to just learn how to roll a linux
> > distro myself to get the latest RT. I'm working in Supercollider,
> > not pd, and I need jack and alsa to work well. I'd be happy to learn
> > more about broth, and the intricacies of packaging in general, and
> > help where I can.
> >
> > I also want to go on record thanking Aymeric and the rest of the
> > team for bringing a great concept to reality and supporting its
> > development for as long and well as you have. puredyne has helped me
> > a lot!
> > -Dave
> >
> > On 02/07/2012 09:07 PM, Julian Brooks wrote:
> > >>>Erm, now what?
> > >>>
> > >>>What is the general consensus of where to go next...
> > >>>
> > >>>I'm guessing that people are thinking of building on top of a minimal
> > >>>debian type thing?
> > >>+1 for Debian :)
> >
> > ---
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> > http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:40:18 -0500
From: Geofroy Tremblay <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [puredyne] A New Install
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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For me I just did a fresh debian stable install - still strugling to
install fluxus though.

on my other mahcine I am using #! (crunchbang) which is quite minimal
and fast! (running mixxx on a eeepc 701!!)

would love to contribute on a flexible loose distro based on debian and
or a centralized information center for computational art / floss art os




On 08.02.2012 11:35, Julian Brooks wrote:
> "Just some ideas for different future ways to share
>  common aims and efforts...."
>
> Yes indeed, which is precisely what we could do with atm.
>
> And as dope as that looks, tbh my immediate thoughts are with having
> a fresh install.? Though I'm sure there must be more of us who have
> been running Puredyne as our main install and are unsure where to go
> next, I'm also presuming that there are others who are also thinking
> that any other ready made OS will seem like a step backwards from
> what
> we've had already.? If I'd wanted to have a different distro I would
> have shifted to that already!
>
> So the general vibe is with building on debian: which one and how
> basic can we get to have that custom feel yet contains enough 'stuff'
> to get going?
>
> Obviously going to need a realtime kernel.? Are there really decent
> benefits from rolling your own to fit your own machine?? And again if
> so - how?
>
> Personally I would be well chuffed to have a lappy where pretty much
> everything is compiled and tweeked for my machine.? Not sure how big
> the performance gains would be but personal satisfaction-wise it
> would
> be sizeable.
>
> And then to be able to clone that as a system restore whilst having
> learnt how to make custom live-iso's for whatever reason (family,
> friends, community, work, etc.) would be a really useful skill to
> share.
>
>  Onwards eh,
>
> Julian
>
> ?
>
> On 7 February 2012 23:47, Andy Farnell  wrote:
>
>> This side of Debian has always impressed me
>>
>> http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build [1]
>>
>> Rather than a project that attempts to create and maintain
>> a one-size-fits-all "distribution" I believe the future
>> for software that supports groups like this is that
>> they become a "knowledge base" with a pick-and-mix
>> set of frequently desired features or configurations
>> that can move forward independently of the host base
>> system. This is different from the downstream model
>> with backporting etc, in that it abandons the attempt to
>> preserve a definitive version. For 64Studio, Daniel James
>> and Free Ekanayaka adopted a powerful model based around
>> PDK (shares some ideas with builders like Broth)
>> with a concept of different blendable "channels".
>>
>> Another advantage is that the base Debian doesnt have
>> to be downloaded every time and doesnt need to be hosted
>> by the team, its just a channel (package repo and rules for
>> blending). Going back to the root of Debian frees the project
>> from policies and decisions downstream at Ubuntu.
>>
>> Just some ideas for different future ways to share
>> common aims and efforts....
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 06:28:11PM -0500, Dave Britton wrote:
>> > I've recently been struggling with carrot and coriander's
>> limited
>> > life support from being karmic-based, so a long-term support
>> > distribution would be fine with me, I'd vote for Debian or
>> Ubuntu
>> > just because I know it more and like the packaging system. The
>> most
>> > important aspect of puredyne for me is the real-time kernel
>> > implementation, so I may have to just learn how to roll a linux
>> > distro myself to get the latest RT. I'm working in
>> Supercollider,
>> > not pd, and I need jack and alsa to work well. I'd be happy to
>> learn
>> > more about broth, and the intricacies of packaging in general,
>> and
>> > help where I can.
>> >
>> > I also want to go on record thanking Aymeric and the rest of the
>> > team for bringing a great concept to reality and supporting its
>> > development for as long and well as you have. puredyne has
>> helped me
>> > a lot!
>> > -Dave
>> >
>> > On 02/07/2012 09:07 PM, Julian Brooks wrote:
>> > >>>Erm, now what?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>What is the general consensus of where to go next...
>> > >>>
>> > >>>I'm guessing that people are thinking of building on top of a
>> minimal
>> > >>>debian type thing?
>> > >>+1 for Debian :)
>> >
>> > ---
>> > [hidden email] [2]
>> > http://identi.ca/group/puredyne [3]
>> > irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne [4]
>> ---
>> [hidden email] [5]
>> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne [6]
>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne [7]
>
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build
> [2] mailto:[hidden email]
> [3] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
> [4] http://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
> [5] mailto:[hidden email]
> [6] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
> [7] http://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
> [8] mailto:[hidden email]



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:03:58 -0600
From: Manjunan Gnanaratnam <[hidden email]>
To: puredyne <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers
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Dear Puredyne Developers.

Just wanted to say thank you very much for a great great product!
I very much appreciate all your hard work that went into Puredyne over the
years.
On many levels, it assisted many in the pilot group of Open Source Dance
to discover their multidisciplinary identities!!

I am definitely interested in continuing an affiliation through the next
list-serve if one is setup.

Thank you again!

Best

Manju.
_____________________________
Manjunan Gnanaratnam
Founder
Open Source Dance
[http://www.opensourcedance.org]
[http://www.manjunan.com]






On 2/5/12 1:59 PM, "Dan S" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Puredyne community,

As you might have noticed, Puredyne's development has somewhat stalled
with our latest release being Carrot and Coriander. While still
working perfectly on most machines, this release is now pretty old. If
you follow the list and IRC regularly you are aware that we have been
working on a new version, Gazpacho, for a little while now, and got as
far as an alpha release.

This alpha release was our last soup.

Truth is, some annoying bugs have held us back from releasing a new
stable Puredyne, and we have been struggling to find the time,
motivation and energy to get the job done. As a matter of fact this is
has been delayed so much that at this point, even if we would fix
everything *right now*, this release would already be out of sync with
upstream. You can imagine that porting, updating and patching the same
packages over and over again is certainly frustrating.

Next to that, Carrot and Coriander is a great relase and it would be a
pity to hack together a new version just for the sake of bumping the
version number. We would like to leave the community with a decent
soup as our final gift rather than something that could be potentially
substandard (OK you're supposed to serve gazpacho cold, but at the
moment it looks more like a garlicky tomato soup than the famous
Andalusian dish).

Of course, we can talk in details about the technical issues we faced
in the development of Gazpacho, the growing commercialism of Ubuntu
and the general feeling, that grew amongst some of us in the last
years, that we should instead teach people to hack their own artistic
OS and tune it for their practice rather than provide a top-down
designed general purpose multimedia system.

All these are valid points, yet there is something else to it,
something more profound to this decision. Puredyne has been around for
nearly a decade, it's time to let go of the project.
Nothing lasts forever, everybody moves one, interests shift, people
get jobs, get fired, resume their studies, have children (4 babies
were born in the dev group so far and another one is on the way), etc.
Life, really.

Now, before closing the list it might be worth to mention two last things.

First of all, Puredyne was built with a script called broth. It lives
on top of Debian's live tools. With this script it is possible to
build all sorts of Debian or Ubuntu live distros. Every now and then,
some of us have the need, for an installation, a workshop, a birthday
party, to quickly generate an audiovisual oriented live USB/DD/CD/DVD.
Broth is very handy for that, so that's why we will be still using it,
hence possibly developing it further whenever we need it (current
version lives here: https://launchpad.net/broth ).

The second point concerns the community aspect of Puredyne. While
there is no point in keeping this list running, we want to ask you all
if you would be interested to join a new list to keep on
talking/discussing about the practice of free software related art,
music and design (get help on installing and using distros and free
software for artistic practices, but also a place to announce/present
your projects, look for collaborators, etc). No strings attached, just
an idea, but one that may be useful for users/former users of Puredyne
- based around our initial goal to support FLOSS + art practice for
ourselves and others, where we saw a gap that needed filling. Send a
mail off-list to [hidden email]. If we get a few positive
responses we'll make a list and subscribe those who contacted us.

I think that's it for now.

Puredyne was a great project, we learned a lot, we had great fun. We
thank you all for supporting us and having been around all these
years.

:*
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At Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:11:06 +0000,
milom wrote:

> Sorry to hear the project is dying! Though I saw that coming, I must say. A sensible decision.
>
> I would certainly be interested in another mailing list, so count my vote in on that one!
>
> Thanks for the fun!
>
> Milo Mordaunt
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