Quantcast

Re: [puredyne] Puredyne Digest, Vol 81, Issue 6

classic Classic list List threaded Threaded
1 message Options
focal temporal focal temporal
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|  
Report Content as Inappropriate

Re: [puredyne] Puredyne Digest, Vol 81, Issue 6

well I catched up p:d at the end. it was it that made me uninstall mswin… so I'm very thankfull for existing!

I'm running fedora 16 with planet ccrma repos but it seems that their rt-kernel isn't working as good as it should on x86_64 or something like that… though I have no knowledge or whatsoever to say this but I'm enjoying fedora and it seems pretty stable! have you ever thought on a fedora based distro?

On 07/02/2012, at 20:38, [hidden email] wrote:

> Send Puredyne mailing list submissions to
>    [hidden email]
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>    http://lists.goto10.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/puredyne
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>    [hidden email]
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>    [hidden email]
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Puredyne digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: announcement from the Puredyne developers (olm-e)
>   2. Re: announcement from the Puredyne developers (Julian Brooks)
>   3. A New Beginning (Julian Brooks)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:55:32 +0100
> From: olm-e <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I would love to be part of that new list too, FLOSS + art is what I do
> and is essential discussion nowadays (with war on copyrights + machine
> as appliance , etc... )
> It's good to see life having an effect on coders (with good things like
> babies... I have one too)
> And it's interesting to focus on a modular system like broth wich could
> open the community to other things.
> looking forward to what is coming
>
> wish you the best and thanks you for the puredyne project, which was a
> light in the dark .
>
> Olivier
> ogeem.be
>
>
> On 07/02/12 13:00, [hidden email] wrote:
>> Send Puredyne mailing list submissions to
>>    [hidden email]
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>    http://lists.goto10.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/puredyne
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>    [hidden email]
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>    [hidden email]
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Puredyne digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Re: announcement from the Puredyne developers (Geofroy Tremblay)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:26:50 -0500
>> From: Geofroy Tremblay <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers
>> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Dear Puredyne,
>>
>> It's interesting to read this email - since I just change my main
>> computer to Debian over the weekend, and it was still running puredyne.
>> (my audio computer still running puredyne thought) Looking at the last 4
>> years I realize how much I learned trough puredyne - and I have to say
>> that, even though I used linux and ubuntu here and there before, it was
>> puredyne that really charmed me - and the OS of choice when Apple wasn't
>> apple anymore (about 3 years ago).
>>
>> Anyhow, the software was one part, the community was another part,
>> creativity with computer was what sealed the deal ;)
>>
>> I would be really interested to be part of the next mail list and see
>> where that lead us all - of course I would love to see a nice broth on
>> Debian that include the main tools I use (puredata, fluxus,sc,
>> processing, arduino, yeah I know java :S ) - some sort of puredyne with
>> less complex maintenance (so I could be more of help) - bt I realize
>> that even that is a lot of work!
>>
>> For the moment, I moved to a clean debian for my main machine, puredyne
>> for the audio machine and Crunch Bang for my Dj gear (#! is quite a
>> interesting community base distribution that worth checking out by the
>> way) But I have been on the lookout for a puredyne type of system, which
>> doesn't seem to exist :S
>>
>> Thank you for the community, Thank you Aymeric and the whole Dev team
>> ;) the future seems promising :D
>>
>>
>> On 06.02.2012 03:31, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>>> Dear Dan, Puredyne community,
>>>
>>> I have been a pretty quiet reader of this list since a while. I manly
>>> use debian these days. Always loved Puredyne, burning the iso popping
>>> it in any machine and having all the (especially audio- in my case)
>>> stuff I like.
>>> I remember - now a few years ago - getting hold of a Puredyne iso
>>> using my university's connection - hey don't tell enyone ;) - burning
>>> it and thinking "wow multimedia on linux exists. and works" :) Many
>>> things evolved since then...
>>> Recently used it in a workshop about linux + music - (mac) people are
>>> always positively surprised by this polished, full-working system
>>> which 'just works' out of a CD.
>>>
>>> For what it may be worth, all I can personally add is a big thank you
>>> to all the people who in a way or another contributed to this great
>>> FLOSS + creativity project. And wish tham all the best for their
>>> dreams, future, and art.
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>> Lorenzo.
>>> PS: I would be very interested in the proposed FLOSS + art list.
>>>
>>> On 05/02/12 19:59, Dan S wrote:
>>>> Dear Puredyne community,
>>>>
>>>> As you might have noticed, Puredyne's development has somewhat
>>>> stalled
>>>> with our latest release being Carrot and Coriander. While still
>>>> working perfectly on most machines, this release is now pretty old.
>>>> If
>>>> you follow the list and IRC regularly you are aware that we have
>>>> been
>>>> working on a new version, Gazpacho, for a little while now, and got
>>>> as
>>>> far as an alpha release.
>>>>
>>>> This alpha release was our last soup.
>>>>
>>>> Truth is, some annoying bugs have held us back from releasing a new
>>>> stable Puredyne, and we have been struggling to find the time,
>>>> motivation and energy to get the job done. As a matter of fact this
>>>> is
>>>> has been delayed so much that at this point, even if we would fix
>>>> everything *right now*, this release would already be out of sync
>>>> with
>>>> upstream. You can imagine that porting, updating and patching the
>>>> same
>>>> packages over and over again is certainly frustrating.
>>>>
>>>> Next to that, Carrot and Coriander is a great relase and it would be
>>>> a
>>>> pity to hack together a new version just for the sake of bumping the
>>>> version number. We would like to leave the community with a decent
>>>> soup as our final gift rather than something that could be
>>>> potentially
>>>> substandard (OK you're supposed to serve gazpacho cold, but at the
>>>> moment it looks more like a garlicky tomato soup than the famous
>>>> Andalusian dish).
>>>>
>>>> Of course, we can talk in details about the technical issues we
>>>> faced
>>>> in the development of Gazpacho, the growing commercialism of Ubuntu
>>>> and the general feeling, that grew amongst some of us in the last
>>>> years, that we should instead teach people to hack their own
>>>> artistic
>>>> OS and tune it for their practice rather than provide a top-down
>>>> designed general purpose multimedia system.
>>>>
>>>> All these are valid points, yet there is something else to it,
>>>> something more profound to this decision. Puredyne has been around
>>>> for
>>>> nearly a decade, it's time to let go of the project.
>>>> Nothing lasts forever, everybody moves one, interests shift, people
>>>> get jobs, get fired, resume their studies, have children (4 babies
>>>> were born in the dev group so far and another one is on the way),
>>>> etc.
>>>> Life, really.
>>>>
>>>> Now, before closing the list it might be worth to mention two last
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> First of all, Puredyne was built with a script called broth. It
>>>> lives
>>>> on top of Debian's live tools. With this script it is possible to
>>>> build all sorts of Debian or Ubuntu live distros. Every now and
>>>> then,
>>>> some of us have the need, for an installation, a workshop, a
>>>> birthday
>>>> party, to quickly generate an audiovisual oriented live
>>>> USB/DD/CD/DVD.
>>>> Broth is very handy for that, so that's why we will be still using
>>>> it,
>>>> hence possibly developing it further whenever we need it (current
>>>> version lives here: https://launchpad.net/broth ).
>>>>
>>>> The second point concerns the community aspect of Puredyne. While
>>>> there is no point in keeping this list running, we want to ask you
>>>> all
>>>> if you would be interested to join a new list to keep on
>>>> talking/discussing about the practice of free software related art,
>>>> music and design (get help on installing and using distros and free
>>>> software for artistic practices, but also a place to
>>>> announce/present
>>>> your projects, look for collaborators, etc). No strings attached,
>>>> just
>>>> an idea, but one that may be useful for users/former users of
>>>> Puredyne
>>>> - based around our initial goal to support FLOSS + art practice for
>>>> ourselves and others, where we saw a gap that needed filling. Send a
>>>> mail off-list to [hidden email]. If we get a few positive
>>>> responses we'll make a list and subscribe those who contacted us.
>>>>
>>>> I think that's it for now.
>>>>
>>>> Puredyne was a great project, we learned a lot, we had great fun. We
>>>> thank you all for supporting us and having been around all these
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>> :*
>>>> ---
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
>>>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
>>> ---
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
>>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Puredyne mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.goto10.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/puredyne
>>
>> End of Puredyne Digest, Vol 81, Issue 5
>> ***************************************
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:53:08 +0000
> From: Julian Brooks <[hidden email]>
> To: puredyne <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers
> Message-ID:
>    <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> HI Dan & all Puredyne/GOTO10 people,
>
> Well bloody hell, it certainly does feel like the end of an era.
>
> I too was hooked, from the moment the skull & crossbones popped out of my
> knackered old laptop with the old dynebolic build, 'yep - that's the one
> for me' I thought.  It's been great, truly.
>
> Even recently I spent a really frustrating month in a fancy-dan AV suite
> wrestling with FCP.  Aargh, 'twas grim. Ended up making lo-res versions of
> the various video files and did it at home with Kdenlive.  I didn't even
> know what Kdenlive was (had no use for it previously) but there it was, a
> right-click and scroll away, just waiting.  So in that sense I will miss
> having some quality tools tucked away in my
> all-purpose-techno-guerrilla-bag'o'tricks.
>
> Also guess that C&C will be now become a future classic.  I'm gonna d/l a
> fresh copy for safekeeping.
>
> Couple of questions:
> When the list goes will the archive still be up somewhere (I would think it
> will have its uses)?
>
> Who's writing or applying for some cash to do some writing up of the
> various ins and outs that have happened within Puredyne over the last
> decade? 'Cos it's a cracking bodice-ripper/whodunnit of a story I bet! No
> but really.
>
> I've had so much help from so many people over the years (I still think of
> myself as a newbie in all of the nitty gritty stuff tbh - perhaps that's a
> healthy approach, there's always someone more knowledgeable than you,
> except this time they are quite often more than willing to share.  What a
> wonderful attitude.
>
> For all the Pure Data I would like to thank Aymeric, Claude and Chun.
> Their approach to packaging vanilla plus externals was bang-on.  I do think
> there is less of a gulf these days between Pd and PdE, and a lot of that is
> because from where I'm sitting PdE has moved over this way in its
> approach.  Maybe that's the way it was heading anyway but Puredyne seemed
> to be doing it first. The 0xA e.p. was fantastic, FLOSS & Art book too,
> plus the 'free as in beer' beer.  Can't overestimate that it sounded like a
> laugh as well.
>
> Well done all.
>
> Very best wishes,
>
> Julian
>
>
> On 5 February 2012 19:59, Dan S <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Dear Puredyne community,
>>
>> As you might have noticed, Puredyne's development has somewhat stalled
>> with our latest release being Carrot and Coriander. While still
>> working perfectly on most machines, this release is now pretty old. If
>> you follow the list and IRC regularly you are aware that we have been
>> working on a new version, Gazpacho, for a little while now, and got as
>> far as an alpha release.
>>
>> This alpha release was our last soup.
>>
>> Truth is, some annoying bugs have held us back from releasing a new
>> stable Puredyne, and we have been struggling to find the time,
>> motivation and energy to get the job done. As a matter of fact this is
>> has been delayed so much that at this point, even if we would fix
>> everything *right now*, this release would already be out of sync with
>> upstream. You can imagine that porting, updating and patching the same
>> packages over and over again is certainly frustrating.
>>
>> Next to that, Carrot and Coriander is a great relase and it would be a
>> pity to hack together a new version just for the sake of bumping the
>> version number. We would like to leave the community with a decent
>> soup as our final gift rather than something that could be potentially
>> substandard (OK you're supposed to serve gazpacho cold, but at the
>> moment it looks more like a garlicky tomato soup than the famous
>> Andalusian dish).
>>
>> Of course, we can talk in details about the technical issues we faced
>> in the development of Gazpacho, the growing commercialism of Ubuntu
>> and the general feeling, that grew amongst some of us in the last
>> years, that we should instead teach people to hack their own artistic
>> OS and tune it for their practice rather than provide a top-down
>> designed general purpose multimedia system.
>>
>> All these are valid points, yet there is something else to it,
>> something more profound to this decision. Puredyne has been around for
>> nearly a decade, it's time to let go of the project.
>> Nothing lasts forever, everybody moves one, interests shift, people
>> get jobs, get fired, resume their studies, have children (4 babies
>> were born in the dev group so far and another one is on the way), etc.
>> Life, really.
>>
>> Now, before closing the list it might be worth to mention two last things.
>>
>> First of all, Puredyne was built with a script called broth. It lives
>> on top of Debian's live tools. With this script it is possible to
>> build all sorts of Debian or Ubuntu live distros. Every now and then,
>> some of us have the need, for an installation, a workshop, a birthday
>> party, to quickly generate an audiovisual oriented live USB/DD/CD/DVD.
>> Broth is very handy for that, so that's why we will be still using it,
>> hence possibly developing it further whenever we need it (current
>> version lives here: https://launchpad.net/broth ).
>>
>> The second point concerns the community aspect of Puredyne. While
>> there is no point in keeping this list running, we want to ask you all
>> if you would be interested to join a new list to keep on
>> talking/discussing about the practice of free software related art,
>> music and design (get help on installing and using distros and free
>> software for artistic practices, but also a place to announce/present
>> your projects, look for collaborators, etc). No strings attached, just
>> an idea, but one that may be useful for users/former users of Puredyne
>> - based around our initial goal to support FLOSS + art practice for
>> ourselves and others, where we saw a gap that needed filling. Send a
>> mail off-list to [hidden email]. If we get a few positive
>> responses we'll make a list and subscribe those who contacted us.
>>
>> I think that's it for now.
>>
>> Puredyne was a great project, we learned a lot, we had great fun. We
>> thank you all for supporting us and having been around all these
>> years.
>>
>> :*
>> ---
>> [hidden email]
>> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
>> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
>>
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.goto10.org/pipermail/puredyne/attachments/20120207/5e968fe8/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:07:56 +0000
> From: Julian Brooks <[hidden email]>
> To: "p:d" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [puredyne] A New Beginning
> Message-ID:
>    <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Erm, now what?
>
> What is the general consensus of where to go next...
>
> I'm guessing that people are thinking of building on top of a minimal
> debian type thing?  Some of my fellow laptoppers are really into Arch for
> example, though they seem to be under the hood on a regular and critical
> basis.
>
> Any recommendations for audio based work?  I have also been thinking
> recently about having something Puredyne-like as a general system and then
> another install just for music - which for me is basically Pure Data, Jack
> too I guess.
>
> Saying that though it's never quite that simple is it.  I like the
> occasional sensor and of course some network music can be fun (ethernet &
> wireless)...and on it goes.
>
> It was a goal of mine to do some building from source recently and I was
> chuffed to pieces that I got some things to work, kind of.  There is a
> definite sense of achievement when it goes and of course I want to maximise
> the resources that are available to me computing wise.  I also have a
> fairly bashed in Puredyne install atm that is in need of rescuing,
> unfortunately I seem to have a ton of stuff that places greater demands on
> my available time (me & my lovely wife have 6 kids between us - go
> figure:)  You may note I haven't been offering my skills(ho ho) for
> Puredyne dev work either.
>
> Anyways, would be great to canvas some opinion and pointers from anyone who
> can be bothered responding.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julian
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.goto10.org/pipermail/puredyne/attachments/20120207/78b8bc06/attachment.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Puredyne mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.goto10.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/puredyne
>
> End of Puredyne Digest, Vol 81, Issue 6
> ***************************************
---
[hidden email]
http://identi.ca/group/puredyne
irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne
Loading...